[Aptorian]

Smashy, on Apr 6 2009, 11:13 AM, said:

Aptorian, on Apr 6 2009, 08:59 AM, said:

Singing. But he was a pretty special guy. He was putting together a ritual powerfull enough to repulse a massive force of Stormriders and he was leeching of the power of the entire adept population of Malaz City if not the whole island.

Holy shit, I never realized that that was what they were doing(Tay and old lady), giving this guy power. Thanks for enlightening me.

Actually I believe that Tay, Obo and Agyala only got involved when the Fisherman went under. At least that's how I remember it.

Originally, the protector of the Malaz Island (which is what I guess the Fisherman was) never needed the assistance of powerhouses like Obo and Agyala to defend the island. Before Laseen culled the mage community in the city, there was a sufficient pool of power for the Fisherman to face what ever the Stormriders would throw at him.

[Grief]

If memory serves, Obo and Agayla have been around for quite some time, but not really able to help, Tay comes along, and they all help after fisherman falls.
Though Obo and Agayla may have been helping before the fisherman fell.

[Use Of Weapons]

I remember Tattersail in GotM talking about 'the few Words of High Thyr I possess' and Tayschrenn's suprise that even these would suffice to drive off a Hound (which of course they didn't).

So perhaps it's down to the perspective of the practitioner. If they think they need words / devices / rituals / whatever, then they do. And this requirement gets passed down from teacher to student. Over time, the oldest Warrens may accrete rituals, until a revelation that sweeps them away (and begins the cycle anew).

[D'rek]

jitsukerr, on Apr 6 2009, 08:20 AM, said:

I remember Tattersail in GotM talking about 'the few Words of High Thyr I possess' and Tayschrenn's suprise that even these would suffice to drive off a Hound (which of course they didn't).

So perhaps it's down to the perspective of the practitioner. If they think they need words / devices / rituals / whatever, then they do. And this requirement gets passed down from teacher to student. Over time, the oldest Warrens may accrete rituals, until a revelation that sweeps them away (and begins the cycle anew).

Sounds about right to me.

[Xardean]

D'rek, on Apr 6 2009, 09:58 AM, said:

jitsukerr, on Apr 6 2009, 08:20 AM, said:

I remember Tattersail in GotM talking about 'the few Words of High Thyr I possess' and Tayschrenn's suprise that even these would suffice to drive off a Hound (which of course they didn't).

So perhaps it's down to the perspective of the practitioner. If they think they need words / devices / rituals / whatever, then they do. And this requirement gets passed down from teacher to student. Over time, the oldest Warrens may accrete rituals, until a revelation that sweeps them away (and begins the cycle anew).

Sounds about right to me.

I dunno, i tend to disregard most of what was stated in GotM about things like this. As with Tools magic explosive aura and many of the other things stated. GotMisms. And i think this may be one of them.

[RangerSG]

Xardean, on Apr 8 2009, 05:10 PM, said:

D'rek, on Apr 6 2009, 09:58 AM, said:

jitsukerr, on Apr 6 2009, 08:20 AM, said:

I remember Tattersail in GotM talking about 'the few Words of High Thyr I possess' and Tayschrenn's suprise that even these would suffice to drive off a Hound (which of course they didn't).

So perhaps it's down to the perspective of the practitioner. If they think they need words / devices / rituals / whatever, then they do. And this requirement gets passed down from teacher to student. Over time, the oldest Warrens may accrete rituals, until a revelation that sweeps them away (and begins the cycle anew).

Sounds about right to me.

I dunno, i tend to disregard most of what was stated in GotM about things like this. As with Tools magic explosive aura and many of the other things stated. GotMisms. And i think this may be one of them.

I don't think so. The fact that there's so many different ways to do magic is something that SE has stated in interviews he wanted in the series. So why wouldn't different warrens have different paths to power? I think we want the magic system systematized. But what he's stated as a goal is a very animistic system, where the magic is done as much by folklore and intuition as it is by any precise learning. So there's bound to be very different ways to do magic. Even outside of GotM we see this. *shrugs* And I don't like appealing to a GotMism without cause. There's no reason to say this isn't one more acceptable path to magic. Especially since we haven't seen another high mage of her warren in the series.

[dawnkiller]

RangerSG, on Apr 8 2009, 09:49 PM, said:

I don't think so. The fact that there's so many different ways to do magic is something that SE has stated in interviews he wanted in the series. So why wouldn't different warrens have different paths to power? I think we want the magic system systematized. But what he's stated as a goal is a very animistic system, where the magic is done as much by folklore and intuition as it is by any precise learning. So there's bound to be very different ways to do magic. Even outside of GotM we see this. *shrugs* And I don't like appealing to a GotMism without cause. There's no reason to say this isn't one more acceptable path to magic. Especially since we haven't seen another high mage of her warren in the series.

I thought Tayschrenn was also Thyr? (And if not, what the hell is his, anyway?)

Personally I'm not averse to the word thing per se, since I think there's enough evidence names, at least, have power. The Tanno Spiritwalkers have been mentioned already (and I suspect that the oral histories of the Edur women have religious and possibly mystical significance as well, though you know, speculation), so I think it's fair to say magic can fairly be worked with words. If so, however, I just wonder if they're words anyone can use, or things you can use only if you have training/potential. Or if it's not the words themselves that have the power, but the lesson they are linked to -- much like how Buddhist words use the syllable "om" chanting not because the word is in itself magical, but because its repetition obliterates the sense of self and aids in meditation. Perhaps certain words are linked to particular spells/effects as a kind of mnemonic shortcut or something.

Then again, I guess it's not all that important as long as no opens a musty tome and manages to obliterate half the continent out of ignorance. (Although tell me you can't see a couple Malazan regulars doing just that...)

[D'rek]

dawnkiller, on Apr 8 2009, 10:09 PM, said:

I thought Tayschrenn was also Thyr? (And if not, what the hell is his, anyway?)

Thyr, (High) Telas, Denul, D'riss... Tayschrenn has quite a few warrens.

[RangerSG]

Tay is Thyr, but was he as advanced in the warren as Tattersail? As I recall, the answer was negative in GotM. So it's likely that she'd know things about it he didn't.

[Grimjust Bearegular]

Xardean, on Apr 8 2009, 11:10 PM, said:

D'rek, on Apr 6 2009, 09:58 AM, said:

jitsukerr, on Apr 6 2009, 08:20 AM, said:

I remember Tattersail in GotM talking about 'the few Words of High Thyr I possess' and Tayschrenn's suprise that even these would suffice to drive off a Hound (which of course they didn't).

So perhaps it's down to the perspective of the practitioner. If they think they need words / devices / rituals / whatever, then they do. And this requirement gets passed down from teacher to student. Over time, the oldest Warrens may accrete rituals, until a revelation that sweeps them away (and begins the cycle anew).

Sounds about right to me.

I dunno, i tend to disregard most of what was stated in GotM about things like this. As with Tools magic explosive aura and many of the other things stated. GotMisms. And i think this may be one of them.

Kulp also uses the few words of High Meanas that he possesses in DG when they're escaping the flooded warren...

[beru]

'sail had high thyr wards not words...
but i agree on the traning and word use.