[Kessobahn]

oh...and also for rashans posts

[Telas]

yawn
hey everyone

lotsa fun readig, but i'm caught up now

first off. remove vote

wouldn't do to vote for a sick person.

more thoughts coming up.

[Galayn Lord]

I agree, good stuff so far. For once, PS is one of the lowest posters

So, anyone knows how much time is left today? Mister 'Gore seems alone on his mod duty, I made an update earlier but I'm too lazy to do it systematically. One thing I remember is that day will time out at a very bad time for me, and I'll have to leave way before it gets close. Getting a lynch is normally important for info, but without the CF, and with the 2 killer teams, I have to admit I'm slightly confused about the absolute need to lynch. Still, we have good candidates, and it would be a waste to not get one of them lynched today, since many of us seem to agree, if not on a particular target, at least on where to look.

[D'riss]

Kessobahn, on Mar 10 2009, 07:35 AM, said:

Rashan, on Mar 10 2009, 06:27 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on Mar 10 2009, 11:21 AM, said:

I am discussing what is happening, your posts are now to be considered not part of this thread?

no but what you think is happenign and what is actually happening may be two different things when you choose to simply interpret every post with a specific assumption going in. perhaps some objectivity on how it reads both ways would benefit your playstyle.

The simple fact that my "assumptions" are in fact viable is exactly why i bring it to the threads attention you fucking cock!!
I cant be objective and state every possibilities for every single thing someone says.

I have to assume everyone is scum since anyone can be scum, and i can and fucking WILL state on thread ANYTHING i damn well please if i find even an inkling of a possibility that it is scummy.
So why dont you stop acting like the fucking mafia paterfamilias and stop telling people how to fucking play and try to find scum...asshole!!!

This is what I was trying to say last night night, with out all the swearing

[Telas]

there's about 11 hours left

[Anomandaris]

Yawn - morning guys, back in a minute, 4 pages to read, slow night huh? DISCLAIMER: I WILL BE COMMENTING AS I GO, so don't flip out and say I am making cases, these are just comments to keep them straight in my head.

[Gamelon]

Silanah, on Mar 10 2009, 06:20 AM, said:

Gamelon, on Mar 10 2009, 04:05 AM, said:

Silanah, on Mar 10 2009, 05:17 AM, said:

So Gamelon, care to tell me why you were clinging to your slender thread of logic so hard early? It was kind of strange, more so than anything else I've seen thus far.

I don't think that trying to get some action moving by voting for someone trying to pressure other people into voting is "kind of strange". I personally find it some what suspicious that you find it strange. In no scenario can I see people following me on to any kind of a lynch train due to a first page vote and a little bit of ridicules pressure. Korlat was able to see what I was doing and he felt no real pressure from me. I am still undecided about how I feel about his finder reveal and his subsequent explanation.

I am going to bed so if you have any more strange questions they will have to wait till morning.

It was more that you carried the pressure on past the point where it had any credibility at all based on the logic you were using. You made it seem like you were taking it seriously, which struck me as very odd. Once you start pretending to be serious, as you did, your opponent can just say "Your logic is shit." and be done with it, so it accomplishes nothing. And if it accomplishes nothing, then why do it? It obviously confused other players as well, because there were others who had a similar reaction to my own on thread. All in all, there's a perfectly good reason to be asking you that question, so cut the turnabout bullcrap you're trying to pull on me there.

Listen you dip shit the logic was shit. That was why I kept saying my fucking great logic. Are you being obtuse on purpose? You are the only one who keeps saying that you are confused. Do you have your shoes labeled so that you can tell which one goes on which feet? Is there a special person who helped you find a job in a grocery? My case was not based on anything and I kept driving it cause there was nothing else going on and I was bored and wanted the game to bloody move. Just cause your ass wasn't on and posting more then a cunt hair doens't mean that the rest of us like to wait around for shit to happen. By not reconginzing that I was making fun of both my case and my vote with my continued use of my "obviously perfict logic" you are showing that you are full of shit and so

Vote Silanah

For being a dooch bag

[Kessobahn]

Anomandaris, on Mar 10 2009, 03:33 PM, said:

Yawn - morning guys, back in a minute, 4 pages to read, slow night huh? DISCLAIMER: I WILL BE COMMENTING AS I GO, so don't flip out and say I am making cases, these are just comments to keep them straight in my head.

why would we flip out if you are making cases?

[Telas]

ok, aplogies for that, had to answer a phone call
looking over what happened while I was away, the most interesting thing appears to be people turning on D'riss for bringing attention to the possible finder slip.
personally, I agree with him that it's not an easy thing to miss, but hten again i've been known to look too deep on occasion,

so, with Serc being out of the suspect list for now, the people that look odd to me now are Korlat, Gamelon and D'riss

[Galayn Lord]

Kessobahn, on Mar 10 2009, 03:34 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Mar 10 2009, 03:33 PM, said:

Yawn - morning guys, back in a minute, 4 pages to read, slow night huh? DISCLAIMER: I WILL BE COMMENTING AS I GO, so don't flip out and say I am making cases, these are just comments to keep them straight in my head.

why would we flip out if you are making cases?

He's warning us he's not planning to vote yet

[Galayn Lord]

I'm waiting to see if more is coming, but if the only thing Gamelon can comment on the thread since he left is this "douche bag" vote, I'll start looking at him some more.

[Kessobahn]

Galayn Lord, on Mar 10 2009, 03:36 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Mar 10 2009, 03:34 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Mar 10 2009, 03:33 PM, said:

Yawn - morning guys, back in a minute, 4 pages to read, slow night huh? DISCLAIMER: I WILL BE COMMENTING AS I GO, so don't flip out and say I am making cases, these are just comments to keep them straight in my head.

why would we flip out if you are making cases?

He's warning us he's not planning to vote yet

Its like he's scared people are going to get angry with him...

[Anomandaris]

Serc, on Mar 10 2009, 01:39 AM, said:

I'm more than a bit sick right now, but ...

Maybe Korlat slipped up honestly, or maybe not. What would be the point of a fake Finder reveal by scum on Day 1? My feverish opinion is that it's a at least possibly a subtle fake-reveal. Can't say as I see the point, but my brain's a bit fried, and I'm starting to wonder what my trackball might taste like, and the letters on the screen are starting to dance, so that sort of analysis should probably wait until I'm healthy, by which point it'll likely be moot.

Anyways ... I'm going to start rambling soon from this flu, so off to bed.

Hmmm. I'm seeing a pattern forming. Bah, RL happens to everyone, and it is day one, but Serc, would be nice to hear from you mate.

[Anomandaris]

Galayn Lord, on Mar 10 2009, 02:14 AM, said:

Well, I should go and edit my "KHAAAAAAN!" post, those 220 posts were full of juicy content, not spam like I first feared.


For now I will

remove vote


I'm surprised by Silanah's vehement defense of Korlat. Like I just said, it doesn't matter what Korlat is, there's a good chance his "funny/slip" will cost him his life. Either lynch, or NK from one of the two killers team. It sucks if he's inno, it's devastating if he's finder, but that's not our fucking fault, it's his.

I would agree not to vote him, but I'm not sure what Silanah's argument is here. What is he trying to say? That Korlat was just joking? So what? Is it worth sticking out your neck like that?

There's no CF, so no danger in scum defending themselves within subtle limits, since no "scum" CF will come back to bite them. I'll have to re-read a few parts before I vote in case I'm missing something.

I totally agree with this post, Whats keeping us from lynching Korlat, he might be a finder? If he is, its a piss poor way to play, getting yourself lynched or drawing the NK isn't the finders job. And if he is in fact RI, then its even shittier, because we may waste a lynch on you instead of possible scum, either way its mega WIFOM.

[D'riss]

Kessobahn, on Mar 10 2009, 09:48 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Mar 10 2009, 03:36 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Mar 10 2009, 03:34 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Mar 10 2009, 03:33 PM, said:

Yawn - morning guys, back in a minute, 4 pages to read, slow night huh? DISCLAIMER: I WILL BE COMMENTING AS I GO, so don't flip out and say I am making cases, these are just comments to keep them straight in my head.

why would we flip out if you are making cases?

He's warning us he's not planning to vote yet

Its like he's scared people are going to get angry with him...

Just you or me I think

[Telas]

Korlat seemed pretty angry at him too, at least earlier...

[D'riss]

Telas, on Mar 10 2009, 09:35 AM, said:

ok, aplogies for that, had to answer a phone call
looking over what happened while I was away, the most interesting thing appears to be people turning on D'riss for bringing attention to the possible finder slip.
personally, I agree with him that it's not an easy thing to miss, but hten again i've been known to look too deep on occasion,

so, with Serc being out of the suspect list for now, the people that look odd to me now are Korlat, Gamelon and D'riss

and how do I look "Odd" now, that seamed like a distancing/bandwagon statement to me.

[Gamelon]

Galayn Lord, on Mar 10 2009, 07:49 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on Mar 9 2009, 11:46 PM, said:

Gamelon, on Mar 9 2009, 03:08 PM, said:

Telas, on Mar 9 2009, 08:56 PM, said:

according to that logic, since the majority of us opay it no heed, you've already lost,

I know and it breaks my heart to have to lynch you all. But if it must be done then so be it. I am hoping that several of you are merely being illogical pawns in this scheme to protect Korlat.

suspects

Korlat (obvious scum)

Shadow (symp trying to draw attention away from his master)

Silanah (Possible symp, more then likely an illogical pawn)

Omtose (probably a pawn)

Telas (on the right track but is instead voting for the symp)

D'riss (probably a pawn)

Tennes (confused player who hasn't yet read my logical case on Korlat)

Me (logical and attempting to keep the thread on track)

So that is half of the players. A lot of pawns which is logical knowing the people who are playing in this game.

Back and catching up, saw this, looks sympy to me, what with both "probably pawns" being in the middle of the list. I am also disappointed that you forgot me! More in a minute 4 pages left to read.

Still catching up, but I agree with Ano's comment. I had the same post quoted in another tab for the same reason. I believe Gamelon is a symp (on top of his way too-serious "case" that he keeps bringing back for no reason. I can't believe that so early in the game he himself would be so convinced)

When I play a symp I don't go out of my fucking way to give my self away. What kind of idiot do you take me for. Plus why in would I bother letting my masters know who the fuck I am on the first day. That shit never fucking works I know it you know it everyone fucking knows it. One the first day half of the players look like symps. If a killer kills his symp on the first day then it was a random kill.

Omtose, on Mar 10 2009, 08:54 AM, said:

Hmmm. I was catching up on the thread and Gamelon's list does look like some sort of message from a symp or even some distancing - I'm always wary of posts containing large amounts of names at the beginning, as it is an easy way because only the person/people they signal to will catch it easily. I then found it illuminating that when someone pointed out that it was fishy, Korlat immediately dismissed it as being a joke.

Then Korlat got involved in more funny stuff with the supposed role claim. Even as a joke it's still far from the smartest thing to do. There is no correct reason to do something like this. And then Silanah's defence of Korlat's 'reveal' was also odd.

vote Korlat

Out of the people who have drawn my suspicion he seems most likely to be a killer to me. If he's innocent, he really needs to brush up on his innocent play.

More hey let me agree with the guy up above cause I have no opinions of my own. Playing a symp is a delicate role and only people who have never been a symp before try to inform their masters by POINTING OUT THEIR BLOODY NAMES. Cause every one would jump on that and rather then letting your masters know you they would get lynched and you would lose the game. Even in a noncf that is the most idiotic stratagy that a symp could possibly do. In a game like this a symps best strategy would be to survive till day 2 or 3 then fake reveal. A symp should never put both of his killers names down. That would be fucking idiotic.

Galayn Lord, on Mar 10 2009, 02:11 PM, said:

Well, quite of a start we got there

I'll make a little recap, this in no way summarizes what is out there, just what I believe is significant:

Korlat - joke about being finder. If done on purpose, serves no good I can see except throwing a bucket of shit on a working fan, and at the end he will be the first to pay IMO. I would still not vote him off today, though.

D'riss - pointed out the joke as a serious reveal. To be honest, in my read-through I missed it, because it was in the middle of an argument which I thought was stretching. Still, you can't assume the killers would "miss it" since killers generally analyse the thread to death for symp and roled clues, so I don't think he did any damage pointing it out. Still, he could be a symp, after all like I said scum tend to read the thread more closely.

Anomander - I agree that he did over-react to minimal pressure. After all, he throws a buch of suspicions around, then says he'll marinate on it before voting. He then behaves like his vote is a death penalty for the poor voted, which is a bit of a bulls-t argument for not voting. Hesitation to vote is scummy in my eyes, since it makes a point, and bring light to the one who votes (specially if there's a valid reason given)

Silanah- My current vote, see my vote post for the explanation.

Gamelon - I didn't forget his initial comment-on-anyone post, I have seen this before by Morgoth to signal his masters when he was a symp (in Yellow's suicide bomber game). According to that, his masters would be most probably Omtose and D'riss.

All this to say that I would vote for any of those (to a lesser extent, Korlat) today. Of course, this might all be crap, but that's what I see so far.

Listen you by god hotty totty twat. Where you fucking on when nothing was going on at the beginning of the fucking day? No.

I made a bull shit case. Then I went around calling it perfect fucking logical. Nobody said boo about it so I made a list of every single person who had posted inbetween when I made my bullshit case and when I got back on the computer. Get off your ass go back and look. That is the order that they went. Then cause THERE still wasn't shit going on I posted the list and some stupic comments "like people being pawns". Up till that point neither Omtose or D'riss had posted shit and were just following along. In fact Omtose still hasn't posted shit. You can suspect me all you want, and you should. But if I was a fucking symp then you wouldn't fucking know it. I certainly wouldn't give myself away on day fucking one.

Galayn Lord, on Mar 10 2009, 03:44 PM, said:

I'm waiting to see if more is coming, but if the only thing Gamelon can comment on the thread since he left is this "douche bag" vote, I'll start looking at him some more.

Go find a mirror and look at your ass...

[Anomandaris]

Galayn Lord, on Mar 10 2009, 03:37 AM, said:

From this I will add my vote to Silanah

vote Silanah


I understand the point about Korlat, and wouldn't mind changing if needed at some point, but the thing is:

Korlat's play was dumb whether he's scum or inno. He targets himself for attention, from the innos during the day, and from both teams of killers during the night. Or one team of killers if he's a killer. Why would he do that?

Silanah's play only makes sense if he's scum. I explain: without the CF, there's no way an inno would go and defend someone like he did Korlat. You can say you don't agree and not vote, but he went way beyond that. As for voting for D'riss "because he pointed out the finder reveal", no offense but if a killer sees a finder slip, why would he care to point it out on thread? He would know what to do, and it doesn't involve getting dirty. That defense, and that vote, screams "exagerated defense".

I have seen this kind of defense in two different settings: a killer knowing who is inno and trying to get score some points by "sticking out for him" if he ever gets killed. This, of course, makes no sense in a non-CF game since there is no validation. The only thing that makes sense in this particular setting is a symp despairing for his killer and trying to get the lynch instead of him, or a symp/killer fake-symping an inno to add pressure on him.

So, in this last scenario, Korlat is either killer or inno, and Silanah is either killer or symp.

Note: I do not imagine a inno would, in good faith, defend someone he thought inno so much without a CF. Like I said, there is no validation, so if the defended inno gets lynched at some point, it means that the majority thought he could be scum. Without the CF, there is nothing to prove them wrong, so whoever defended too strongly becomes a good target. I'm not saying we should all agree with each other, but I believe there is a line.

Another good post, and pretty convincing, I would be willing to switch to Sil if needed, but to be honest I really think Korlat is a killer. Again , what good does a finder reveal do for team inno. Day 1 FFS!!!! So priority list right now - Korlat, Silanah, and probably Omtose, not sure why Omtose, primarily gut.

[Galayn Lord]

D'riss, on Mar 10 2009, 03:57 PM, said:

Telas, on Mar 10 2009, 09:35 AM, said:

ok, aplogies for that, had to answer a phone call
looking over what happened while I was away, the most interesting thing appears to be people turning on D'riss for bringing attention to the possible finder slip.
personally, I agree with him that it's not an easy thing to miss, but hten again i've been known to look too deep on occasion,

so, with Serc being out of the suspect list for now, the people that look odd to me now are Korlat, Gamelon and D'riss

and how do I look "Odd" now, that seamed like a distancing/bandwagon statement to me.

Distancing?