[frookenhauer]

The whole Felisin plan by Tavore was pure puke. T'ambourine should have picked up on it immediately and voiced her opinion regarding the whole douche-ness of the idea.

All ever stupid Tavore had to do is march up to Surly and tell her straight. "She's my sister and I need her on my staff...Wat?"

Goddammit!

Other than that...awesome!

[Aptorian]

The Adjunct of the Empire can not be seen to show mercy or affection, not even for her family. There was a culling of the aristocracy, among them the Paran family, showing favoritism would not have sat well amongst the people and it would not have proven the untested Adjuncts loyalty to the throne.

As far as I remember wasn't there some kind of mix up in Skullcap? I seem to remember that Tavore had thought of a way to get her out of there, but the uprising ruined that.

EDIT: also, no T'amber talk in this thread. Wrong forum Frook.

[HoosierDaddy]

The "mix-up" was that Felisin became a drug-addled whore, thus making it harder for Baudin to release her. The prison guard was originally in on the scheme as well, but Tavore was counting on Felisin being sober enough to get the clues. But, she was too busy doing... other things.

[frookenhauer]

Actually T'amber is mentioned in passing as her personal adviser, so I reckon my tambourine is not too riske. I'm looking at it as a plot piece. Adjunct as a tool of the empire CAN make choices as long as it is seen as if it is in the interests of the empire and Felisin repeatedly shows some startling insights and gives more than an excuse for there to be some sort of alternate strategy. I can see her as some sort of mini Tavore, who is totally and utterly devoted to her sister and also acts as a 'bodyguard' and whatnot. Admittedly it would throw the story out of kilter as too many things would have to be adjusted. And also, she is second only to the empress who has shown a lot of 'consideration' to those who serve her closely. If Tavore says its okay then it would have been okay.

I barely remember myself about skullcap, this being my first reread of the DG (DhG?), but this has always stood out like a beacon of weakness...Goddammit.

[Stiehl9s]

also Tavore was trying to bring some honor back to the Paran household since at the time there was some question over Ganoes loyalty to the Empire.

Spoiler

falsely of course

[Illuyankas]

Tavore's plan to free her sister was scuppered by the fact Felisin completely believed that there would be no plan, that Tavore really did send her to the Otataral Mines for good, and that she was totally and utterly screwed.

Something else that pisses me off about reactions to Felisin in the start of DG is the 'AN ORPHANED TEENAGE GIRL ABANDONED BY EVERYONE WHO EVER CARED FOR HER, THRUST INTO A HELLISH PRISON DESPITE COMMITING NO CRIMES AND FORCED TO DO WHATEVER SHE COULD TO SURVIVE NO MATTER HOW DISTASTEFUL OR SOUL-DESTROYING? WHAT A WHORE!' attitude. Christ, when the best circumstance you can get is that you're being raped by someone at least a little bit considerate, you're going to do whatever you can to make it not worse, even if it's drugs.

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Something else that pisses me off about reactions to Felisin in the start of DG is the 'AN ORPHANED TEENAGE GIRL ABANDONED BY EVERYONE WHO EVER CARED FOR HER, THRUST INTO A HELLISH PRISON DESPITE COMMITING NO CRIMES AND FORCED TO DO WHATEVER SHE COULD TO SURVIVE NO MATTER HOW DISTASTEFUL OR SOUL-DESTROYING? WHAT A WHORE!' attitude. Christ, when the best circumstance you can get is that you're being raped by someone at least a little bit considerate, you're going to do whatever you can to make it not worse, even if it's drugs.

I agree, it was all about surviving for her.

[chill]

Illuyankas, on Jun 29 2009, 07:55 PM, said:

Tavore's plan to free her sister was scuppered by the fact Felisin completely believed that there would be no plan, that Tavore really did send her to the Otataral Mines for good, and that she was totally and utterly screwed.

Something else that pisses me off about reactions to Felisin in the start of DG is the 'AN ORPHANED TEENAGE GIRL ABANDONED BY EVERYONE WHO EVER CARED FOR HER, THRUST INTO A HELLISH PRISON DESPITE COMMITING NO CRIMES AND FORCED TO DO WHATEVER SHE COULD TO SURVIVE NO MATTER HOW DISTASTEFUL OR SOUL-DESTROYING? WHAT A WHORE!' attitude. Christ, when the best circumstance you can get is that you're being raped by someone at least a little bit considerate, you're going to do whatever you can to make it not worse, even if it's drugs.

Thirded.

Felisin had no reason to believe Tavore would do anything to free her. As far as I could tell, Tavore didn't care about her family even before the culling, so Felisin reasonably assumed Tavore just doesn't give a damn about her.

[Stiehl9s]

plus Felesin was described as somewhat of a spoiled, sheltered little girl that idled her days away writing poetry. she didnt have much if any experience with how the real world worked.

[D'rek]

Wampyry, on Jul 1 2009, 11:51 AM, said:

**Post about Erikson's irony that Wampyry has deleted**

*ahem* Massive spoiler *coughcough*

you should know better Wamp!

I like pie.

This post has been edited by D'rek: 03 July 2009 - 11:47 AM

[detritus]

D'rek, on Jul 2 2009, 01:39 PM, said:

Wampyry, on Jul 1 2009, 11:51 AM, said:

Felesin started out as a frightened bewilded child hating her sister. Becam a whore and drug addict;

Spoiler

then a bitch who dreamed of a river of blood. She died a frightened, bewilded child reaching out
for her sister

Erikson's irony

*ahem* Massive spoiler *coughcough*

you should know better Wamp!

Seriously WTF? I'm only on Memories of Ice. I dont need to be reading that yet.

[D'rek]

mandog, on Jul 2 2009, 01:31 PM, said:

D'rek, on Jul 2 2009, 08:39 AM, said:

Wampyry, on Jul 1 2009, 11:51 AM, said:

**Post about Erikson's irony that Wampyry has deleted**

*ahem* Massive spoiler *coughcough*

you should know better Wamp!

I like pie.

Seriously WTF? I'm only on Memories of Ice. I dont need to be reading that yet.

I reported it but the mods aren't as fast at fixing these ever since Apt descended... we miss you Apt and your spoiler-removal-fu!!! (conversely, feel free to make me a mod oh gods of the forum )

This post has been edited by D'rek: 03 July 2009 - 11:48 AM

[Illuyankas]

So, shouldn't there be a window to type why you're reporting a post? Or is that a non-Aqua skin only thing?

EDIT: It's sorted now but you should be more careful about which forum you're posting in when it comes to later-series info, Wampyry.

This post has been edited by Illuyankas: 02 July 2009 - 05:41 PM

[D'rek]

Illuyankas, on Jul 2 2009, 01:40 PM, said:

So, shouldn't there be a window to type why you're reporting a post? Or is that a non-Aqua skin only thing?

Not sure. I can remember not getting it before, I think that might've been when I was on Aqua. I'm on SFW1 now and always get it.

[Illuyankas]

I'll give that a try, see if it helOH FUCK MY EYES

THE BURNING

OK I'm going to stick with Aqua until I need to report something again. Assuming I can get some new retinas before then.

[Wampyry]

D'rek, on Jul 2 2009, 01:37 PM, said:

mandog, on Jul 2 2009, 01:31 PM, said:

D'rek, on Jul 2 2009, 01:39 PM, said:

Wampyry, on Jul 1 2009, 11:51 AM, said:

Felesin started out as a frightened bewilded child hating her sister. Becam a whore and drug addict;

Spoiler

then a bitch who dreamed of a river of blood. She died a frightened, bewilded child reaching out
for her sister

Erikson's irony

*ahem* Massive spoiler *coughcough*

you should know better Wamp!

Seriously WTF? I'm only on Memories of Ice. I dont need to be reading that yet.

I reported it but the mods aren't as fast at fixing these ever since Apt descended... we miss you Apt and your spoiler-removal-fu!!! (conversely, feel free to make me a mod oh gods of the forum )

D'rek, sorry. You and others are absolutely right. I should be more careful as to where I am posting. My apologies to all
I corrected the post about 1:40 pm

[D'rek]

Wampyry, on Jul 2 2009, 01:47 PM, said:

D'rek, on Jul 2 2009, 01:37 PM, said:

mandog, on Jul 2 2009, 01:31 PM, said:

D'rek, on Jul 2 2009, 08:39 AM, said:

Wampyry, on Jul 1 2009, 11:51 AM, said:

**Post about Erikson's irony that Wampyry has deleted**

*ahem* Massive spoiler *coughcough*

you should know better Wamp!

I like pie.

Seriously WTF? I'm only on Memories of Ice. I dont need to be reading that yet.

I reported it but the mods aren't as fast at fixing these ever since Apt descended... we miss you Apt and your spoiler-removal-fu!!! (conversely, feel free to make me a mod oh gods of the forum )

D'rek, sorry. You and others are absolutely right. I should be more careful as to where I am posting. My apologies to all
I corrected the post about 1:40 pm

Don't worry, we make a big deal out of these things on purpose so that you'll feel so sad and depressed that you can't help but double-check yourself next time. And cause we love playing with your psyche! (or as Abyss would put it, BRAAAAAIIIINNNNZZZZZ)

This post has been edited by D'rek: 03 July 2009 - 11:50 AM