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Just thinking out loud, and perhaps confusing with attributes such as audacity/determination.
What about Rope/Shadowthrone combo (perservence with plan, etc.)?
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The Sheer Will / Stubborness poll
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Posted 13 July 2005 - 05:41 AM
quote:Originally posted by Abeleyn:
@GreenEyes: I disagree. Sure it is the vow that gives him his extra abilities, but Corlo (or someone else in MT) mentioned something about IB having one of the strongest wills among the members of the Crimson Guard, and that that is what keeps him alive and being able to sustain such heavy damage to himself. Could be wrong though, it's a long time since I've read it...
yup, his fight with the Sereghal was the main reason he made it here to contest with Karsa. also, he's just as arrogant / not careful as Karsa - he's got a reputation for making bad enemies, right?
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 02:20 AM
WHAT!!!!! No Itkovian!?!?!?!?! Hands down the strongest willed....thing... out there. Oh, anf hi.
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Posted 13 July 2005 - 06:20 AM
Please ignore my slightly off topic post. I am trying to take care a patient and review threads. I missed that it is for two characters. My apologies.
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Posted 15 July 2005 - 08:30 AM
Certainly Itkovian was storng willed, but let's be honest here, the dude up and died. Not exactly the poster child for perseverance.
- Abyss, has had exams that felt like that whole absorbing-the-pain-of-the-Imass thing.
- Abyss, has had exams that felt like that whole absorbing-the-pain-of-the-Imass thing.
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Posted 12 July 2005 - 08:58 AM
so... which one of 'em is more stubborn? Hood knows, both are amazingly strong when it comes to willpower...
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.
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Posted 12 July 2005 - 09:11 AM
I have to go with Karsa, but really, shouldn't Silchas be in there for spending a few hundred thousand years under a tree and not going ape****e?
Or Rake for keeping his people alive/motivated?
Or Kalam for not being dead about thirty times in DG and HoC?
Or Felisin/Sheik for any number of reasons?
- Abyss, stubborn like a mule, but much better looking.
Or Rake for keeping his people alive/motivated?
Or Kalam for not being dead about thirty times in DG and HoC?
Or Felisin/Sheik for any number of reasons?
- Abyss, stubborn like a mule, but much better looking.
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Posted 13 July 2005 - 06:46 AM
No problem there lane it was actually not that off topic, Kellanved and Dancer both have to be pretty stubborn and willful to first build an empire and then start collecting thrones while annyoing half the pantheon.
I sure would like to get to know more about the two, above all Kellanved and his rise to power. NoK satisfied my curiosity for about 2 seconds, now I'm hoping that future ICE novellas will shed more light on the Old Guard and the building of the Malazan Empire.
it was actually not that off topic, Kellanved and Dancer both have to be pretty stubborn and willful to first build an empire and then start collecting thrones while annyoing half the pantheon.I sure would like to get to know more about the two, above all Kellanved and his rise to power. NoK satisfied my curiosity for about 2 seconds, now I'm hoping that future ICE novellas will shed more light on the Old Guard and the building of the Malazan Empire.
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Posted 13 July 2005 - 05:37 AM
If we talk about stubborness, the oscar goes to Karsa methinks.
@GreenEyes: I disagree. Sure it is the vow that gives him his extra abilities, but Corlo (or someone else in MT) mentioned something about IB having one of the strongest wills among the members of the Crimson Guard, and that that is what keeps him alive and being able to sustain such heavy damage to himself. Could be wrong though, it's a long time since I've read it... Btw, since this topic is about Karsa, we should talk about the Malazan meeting in Switzerland again
@GreenEyes: I disagree. Sure it is the vow that gives him his extra abilities, but Corlo (or someone else in MT) mentioned something about IB having one of the strongest wills among the members of the Crimson Guard, and that that is what keeps him alive and being able to sustain such heavy damage to himself. Could be wrong though, it's a long time since I've read it... Btw, since this topic is about Karsa, we should talk about the Malazan meeting in Switzerland again
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Posted 13 July 2005 - 05:53 AM
He does But I guess most of them are not alive to bother him anymore, he seems to be the guy who gets rid of his enemies pretty quick. 
I wonder if he'll meet Rhulad again, would be a nice reunion.
But I guess most of them are not alive to bother him anymore, he seems to be the guy who gets rid of his enemies pretty quick. I wonder if he'll meet Rhulad again, would be a nice reunion.
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Posted 12 July 2005 - 02:32 PM
Karsa for pigheaded ignorance and refusal to give up. Definately...
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Posted 12 July 2005 - 12:20 PM
Karsa, definately. I can't even remember much about Iron Bars. He was avowed.../yawns...Oh look Silchas Ruin, a good bit of the book. Blues stood out even more than Iron Bars did and he had even less airtime.
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Posted 12 July 2005 - 09:31 AM
well, I'd name Silchas just... patient.
Rake? responsible.
Kalam? well, he's just god damn good - remember he knew ways of stopping his blood from flowing. plus, he's not this kind of arrogant like the two mentioned, Kalam sometimes finds a hole and curls up in it. I can't imagine Karsa or Iron Bars stepping aside from ANYONE'S path.
but... Felisin/Shaik? she's just a tool, mon... she flew the invisible currents like a ragdoll.
Rake? responsible.
Kalam? well, he's just god damn good - remember he knew ways of stopping his blood from flowing. plus, he's not this kind of arrogant like the two mentioned, Kalam sometimes finds a hole and curls up in it. I can't imagine Karsa or Iron Bars stepping aside from ANYONE'S path.
but... Felisin/Shaik? she's just a tool, mon... she flew the invisible currents like a ragdoll.
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