[Ganymed]

Yeah, maybe you're right, but sometimes I am just fed up with that shit and can't help getting irritated about it.

I will go now and take my happy pills.

[Wry]

Ganymed said:

It's like saying catching a STD has nothing to do with doing it with a hooker who only takes coins and works full-time.

I missed the rest of your post - Couldn't shake the image of you putting the coins into the slot!


That said i can perfectly understand you not wanting to see a film that glorifies people killing Germans. The missus is German (well Bavarian lol) and i really started to be uncomfortable with that kinda thing myself.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Edit: I'm not speaking my mind very clearly n this post. I'm distracted and don't have time to rewrite it. Assume that if something sounds deliberately offensive to you, either you misunderstood my point or tone, or I mispoke. I'm trying to discuss here, not troll. That said....

Someone has to be the bad guys in a war movie. Once you've decided the war you will make a movie about is WWII, the choices of who is going to get gunned down are limited.

I can understand your frustration. WWII is probably the most popular war to make movies and games about, and the Germans are the bad guys in every one. I can see how that could get old. That being said, I don't know how much stock I put in the "Nazi with a heart of gold" idea. Sure, they weren't all evil, many were just regular guys, but they were doing the dirty work for the Fuhrer. "I was only taking orders" will only go so far.

I hope you understand that I am not talking about all Germans, either past or present. I'm talking about soldiers and party members during WWII. Hitler was pretty up front about a lot of his anti-semitic ideas and it was pretty clear once things got rolling that he was planning some major invasions. Sure there were some who were just born on the wrong side and just wanted to rebuild the country and fix the economy and whatnot, but I bet a lot of the the nazis knew that invading defenseless countries and systematic racism was not very nice but they joined up anyways.

Here's an analogy that may or may not work. Think of modern movies featuring american indians. The US government has been repeatedly shown in movies as being "bad" towards the indians, what with all the genocide and all. (Think dances with Wolves.) By now, I kind of feel like "ok, I get it, we were mean to them." However, I'm not going to claim that this depiction is unfair. It's fair as hell. The government, and the physical manifestation of its will the US army, did some evil stuff. If Tarantino made a movie about a bunch of nerdy indians (depicted as the good guys) who went and fought the US army (depicted as the bad guys) I think he would have a legit point. I understand that many of the US soldiers were just born into their circumstances, or had reasons they felt what they were doing was morally acceptable. However, that doesn't change the fact that in the context of that conflict, the US army were the bad guys. You won't see many movies (anymore) showing the Indians as the bad guys and the US government as the good guys.

I'm not saying that all Germans were or are Nazis. A war movie can show both sides in shades of grey, or have clear cut White Hats vs. Black Hats. If your movie is going to show a lot of slaughter, it will be easier to accept by an audience if they can somehow feel that the guys getting shot deserved it. It's just that if you want a war in recent memory with a clear cut bad and good side, WWII is probably the route you will take. The Nazis were the bad guys.

Hell, forget recent memory, I'm having trouble thinking of many wars EVER with such a clear distinction between the goodies and the baddies. One side has a goal of genocide and world domination through military invasion. The other side just wants to stop that from happening. Guess which side audiences would rather see get shot in a movie?

Sorry about longpost. I sometimes get diarrhea of the keyboard.

For the record, I've got quite a bit of German in me myself. The wife is Polish.

[dktorode]

First few reviews in from Cannes, and they say that this movie rocks...

The only gripe i have seen is that Brad Pit was not the right choice for his role...

This post has been edited by dktorode: 21 May 2009 - 07:39 AM

[HoosierDaddy]

 dktorode, on May 21 2009, 03:38 AM, said:

First few reviews in from Cannes, and they say that this movie rocks...

The only gripe i have seen is that Brad Pit was not the right choice for his role...

Really? I've heard BAD reviews on the movie as a whole. That it was overacted, with no intricacies, and without a concise plot at all. That it wish-washes through several different plot-lines.

[dktorode]

 HoosierDaddy, on May 21 2009, 09:46 AM, said:

 dktorode, on May 21 2009, 03:38 AM, said:

First few reviews in from Cannes, and they say that this movie rocks...

The only gripe i have seen is that Brad Pit was not the right choice for his role...

Really? I've heard BAD reviews on the movie as a whole. That it was overacted, with no intricacies, and without a concise plot at all. That it wish-washes through several different plot-lines.

well thats what ive heard man....so far

its only been 24 hours

[HoosierDaddy]

Hearsay: Confusing people since whispering began! Lol.

[dktorode]

aah wait...see what you mean....seeing some bad reviews now, looks like a mixed reaction.

Damn...and i was sooo hoping

[dktorode]

58% on rotten tomatoes

[HoosierDaddy]

I'm of the "who cares?" type. I'll watch it and if I like it I like it. Here's hoping I like it!

Edit: New Star Trek got 95% right? so 70% isn't that bad, right? Er, check that 60%. I have no experience with those things.

This post has been edited by HoosierDaddy: 21 May 2009 - 08:01 AM

[Tiste Simeon]

When does it come out in this country? I woulld look it up but am too lazy - sunny day...

[Old Magic]

its looking better with every scene i watch.. a few scenes were put on youtube recently..

i think Brads odd drawl will work with this over the top plot and violence..

[Tiste Simeon]

That interrogation scene was funny, though I was annoyed at the point it stopped.

[dktorode]

The clips i have seen were all great....

suppose its a "different strokes for different folks" kinda film

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Tarantino made Pulp Fiction, Resevoir Dogs, Killl Bill, and Jackie Brown. For that he has earned the right for me to go into each of his new movies with my mind uncluttered by reviews and optimistically hoping for and expecting the best. I hope this movie is great.

[Old Magic]

I've always enjoyed Tarantino, his fanboy qualities always shine throughout in an effort to never disappoint.. its a good thing he chooses over the top plots nowadays in an effort to harness his ever growing desires towards 'cool' violence and revenge (though natural born killers was no joke back when he wrote it)..

my only criticism is his 'QT presents' series, a collection of his recommendations from around the world.. most are crap and cheesey marketing ventures (like when he presented jet li's Hero, kinda ballsy to put your name on other peoples work)

[Aptorian]

 Old Magic, on May 22 2009, 06:45 PM, said:

my only criticism is his 'QT presents' series, a collection of his recommendations from around the world.. most are crap and cheesey marketing ventures (like when he presented jet li's Hero, kinda ballsy to put your name on other peoples work)

You realise that he makes little to no money on the QT presents stuff, right? Putting his name on those films gives them encreases exposure and and more or less ensures that they will become succesfull. Take a look at the wiki artickle on them, he does it out of passion for the business, not greed or egotisme.

[Old Magic]

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You realise that he makes little to no money on the QT presents stuff, right? Putting his name on those films gives them encreases exposure and and more or less ensures that they will become succesfull. Take a look at the wiki artickle on them, he does it out of passion for the business, not greed or egotisme.

Thats true.. still a little egotistical to the average viewer.. I'm thinking of his Rolling Thunder Pictures where he rereleased a lot of crap and it eventually got shut down.. give Chungking Express a try if you dare to see what I mean..

This post has been edited by Old Magic: 22 May 2009 - 06:03 PM

[dktorode]

New international trailer

[Aptorian]

Yet another trailer that ruins the film, don't watch this if you don't want to have the story ruined.

Looks interesting though. Sounds less exceptional though, than what I was expecting from Tarrantino.

This post has been edited by Aptorian: 03 July 2009 - 10:34 AM