[Anomandaris]

Well well well, we're down a psychopath. Reading through the posts since - I like the case on Mockra, seems reasonable. If he is indeed the symp, would he come up inno with a CF? It isn't stated specifically in the rules...

At some point I'll have time to do some reconnaissance on the low posting crew...there usually isn't very much, but sometimes there is the odd tidbit to run with.

[Ruse]

D'riss, on Jan 21 2009, 01:07 PM, said:

Damn, board won't let me search member's posts atm. The case must wait...

Try right clicking on the link and opening in a new tab.

[Thyrllan]

As did Kessobahns.
In fact, with the amount of accusations flying around, it'd be a miracle if the person who died wasn't someones suspect...

[Ruse]

Anomandaris, on Jan 21 2009, 01:08 PM, said:

Well well well, we're down a psychopath. Reading through the posts since - I like the case on Mockra, seems reasonable. If he is indeed the symp, would he come up inno with a CF? It isn't stated specifically in the rules...

At some point I'll have time to do some reconnaissance on the low posting crew...there usually isn't very much, but sometimes there is the odd tidbit to run with.

Yes he will come up inno, i believe it is in the role description

[D'riss]

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 01:07 PM, said:

Sorry to blow your serc was a creature theory out of the water, but i've asked mods for confirmation.
Creatures CF as undead.

Necs don't know who the creature is. The theory is that you are a nec who thought Serc had signalled you he was the creature. Therefore you can jump on his lynch (and you voted for me just as he did) and then recruit that lynch during the night.

[Ruse]

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 01:09 PM, said:

As did Kessobahns.
In fact, with the amount of accusations flying around, it'd be a miracle if the person who died wasn't someones suspect...

Did kessoh also refuse to vote for the person who was talking about creatures and necro's and them leaving codes for each other?

[Path-Shaper]

Anomandaris, on Jan 21 2009, 01:08 PM, said:

Well well well, we're down a psychopath. Reading through the posts since - I like the case on Mockra, seems reasonable. If he is indeed the symp, would he come up inno with a CF? It isn't stated specifically in the rules...

Sorry, it is now. We forgot because we assumed it was a given.

[Anomandaris]

Ruse, on Jan 21 2009, 01:09 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on Jan 21 2009, 01:08 PM, said:

Well well well, we're down a psychopath. Reading through the posts since - I like the case on Mockra, seems reasonable. If he is indeed the symp, would he come up inno with a CF? It isn't stated specifically in the rules...

At some point I'll have time to do some reconnaissance on the low posting crew...there usually isn't very much, but sometimes there is the odd tidbit to run with.

Yes he will come up inno, i believe it is in the role description

Haha, PS just went and added it retrospectively now.

Path-Shaper, on Jan 17 2009, 08:10 PM, said:

Symp: You’re not originally part of the trap, but once there you realize those killers have a point. You don’t have the nerve to kill yet, but you will do everything in your power to help the killers win. The symp(s) will know the names of the killers, although the converse is not true. If there is more than one symp, they will not know of each other and won’t be able to communicate off-thread. The symps can have any of the roles described above for the innocents.

Note: the symp can not be recruited by the Necromancers. If targeted by a succesful NK, they will die no matter what.
Note 2: The symps CFs as "inno", and comes up as "not a killer" in a killer/not a killer Psychic investigation.

EDIT: Crosspost with PS

This post has been edited by Anomandaris: 21 January 2009 - 01:12 PM

[Thyrllan]

Ummm, k.
So, you reckon that sercs little thing was interpreted by me as some sort of creature clue?
I hate to point it out(ok, no I dont) but there are many things so far that could be regarded as such. Why would I pick up on his specifically. And he hints at a code. Surely I would have looked for one therefore. Well, I cant see one, on a brief look, so I wouldve been put off there, etc...

[Thyrllan]

Ruse, on Jan 21 2009, 01:11 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 01:09 PM, said:

As did Kessobahns.
In fact, with the amount of accusations flying around, it'd be a miracle if the person who died wasn't someones suspect...

Did kessoh also refuse to vote for the person who was talking about creatures and necro's and them leaving codes for each other?

Im sure he didn't.
Ofc, me being a necro, I deliberately do stuff like that, which is bound to grab attention, rather than laying low and hopping on the train, inconcpicious as possible. Right?

[Rashan]

Good job, person that killed Emur. I have a meeting in half an hour,but will be back in a few hours. I managed to read through most of the thread, and learned alot about the Illiad. Nice. When I get back I am going to look into Hp, I believe he was confirmed suspicious, so I will look into his pots, when I get back.

[Ruse]

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 01:13 PM, said:

Ummm, k.
So, you reckon that sercs little thing was interpreted by me as some sort of creature clue?
I hate to point it out(ok, no I dont) but there are many things so far that could be regarded as such. Why would I pick up on his specifically. And he hints at a code. Surely I would have looked for one therefore. Well, I cant see one, on a brief look, so I wouldve been put off there, etc...

It could have been seen that Serc was "asking" for his necro's to leave clues as to one of their night choices in order for him to kill that night pick.

As it turns out it would seem that Serc ended up just giving the Necro's and creatures a good idea if they hadnt thought of it before now.


Look, i am just looking at the evidence. Act dumb all you want now but that could very well be what happened.
It isnt impossible so should not be ignored. Especially since there are a few things that seem to add up rather too conveniently.

[Ruse]

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 01:15 PM, said:

Ruse, on Jan 21 2009, 01:11 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 01:09 PM, said:

As did Kessobahns.
In fact, with the amount of accusations flying around, it'd be a miracle if the person who died wasn't someones suspect...

Did kessoh also refuse to vote for the person who was talking about creatures and necro's and them leaving codes for each other?

Im sure he didn't.
Ofc, me being a necro, I deliberately do stuff like that, which is bound to grab attention, rather than laying low and hopping on the train, inconcpicious as possible. Right?

If you are a necro you would obviously not have wanted to vote for serc as there was a strong chance he could have been your Creature...pfffft
Jeeez.
Sarcasm will get you no sympathy from me.

edit - changed tense to clarify

This post has been edited by Ruse: 21 January 2009 - 01:22 PM

[Thyrllan]

I would also like to point out the unlikely hood of a creature actually posting hints as to who he will kill.
That makes no sense.

The necro doesn't know the creature.
Therefore his chances of picking that one hint out of many possible hints is small.

The creature does know the necro.
If the necro drops hints, rather than the creature, the creature will be looking over the necros posts closely for such hints, and is much more likely to pick up on it.

So yeah, I doubt the creature tries to signal.
More likely the creature just looks for signals from his masters, or picks people he thinks will fuck with the innos etc.

It is also risky for the necro get the creature to let him know who he is.
I expect the creature to be deliberately avoiding his masters, most of the time, except on odd occasions where it may defend.

Scum teams generally don't want to be connected.

[Rashan]

Just got a call, meeting has been cancelled, so I should be free most of the day. I'll go look at HP now.

[Thyrllan]

Ruse, on Jan 21 2009, 01:20 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 01:15 PM, said:

Ruse, on Jan 21 2009, 01:11 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 01:09 PM, said:

As did Kessobahns.
In fact, with the amount of accusations flying around, it'd be a miracle if the person who died wasn't someones suspect...

Did kessoh also refuse to vote for the person who was talking about creatures and necro's and them leaving codes for each other?

Im sure he didn't.
Ofc, me being a necro, I deliberately do stuff like that, which is bound to grab attention, rather than laying low and hopping on the train, inconcpicious as possible. Right?

If you are a necro you would obviously not have wanted to vote for serc as there was a strong chance he could have been your Creature...pfffft
Jeeez.
Sarcasm will get you no sympathy from me.

edit - changed tense to clarify

1. I dont particularly care of you're sympathetic or not.
2. Scum avoid connection. Because then you find one, you find the other. Were I a necro, thinking he was my creature, i would've hopped onto his train and pushed, so that when finger pointing time came, i wasn't a suspect.

I said at the time, I expected him to be lynched.
I was pretty certain he was going to be lynched.
I thought he was inno, so I didn't vote.
Were I a necro, I would have been on that train like a bullet(hence why I think the unexplaining hopper-ons are likely scum) because it would make me look far, far less suspicious than what I did.

[Liosan]

I like the case on mockra, thats a good catch, the only problem is the cf, we are never sure if we are getting a symp or just an inno. Serc could have been the symp for all we know, so although its a good idea to have a list of possible symps in our minds, announcing it on thread when you don't want to lynch them, means that you are in effect letting them know they are rumbled and stopping them from pointing out their masters.

also i have been thinking about the mechanics of the game and personally it doesn't strike me as necessary for us to focus on one particular group, i think rather we should simply be aiming to remove the killing roles first so then the recruiters are in effect nullified, and then we can lynch them without the threat of their voting block increasing.

So for me the targets are killer(s), creature, necros.

The reason i have killer first is because i feel it will be harder to spot the creature, while the killer(s) and necros will have symps or recruits protecting or following them.

[Ruse]

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 01:22 PM, said:

I would also like to point out the unlikely hood of a creature actually posting hints as to who he will kill.
That makes no sense.

The necro doesn't know the creature.
Therefore his chances of picking that one hint out of many possible hints is small.

The creature does know the necro.
If the necro drops hints, rather than the creature, the creature will be looking over the necros posts closely for such hints, and is much more likely to pick up on it.

So yeah, I doubt the creature tries to signal.
More likely the creature just looks for signals from his masters, or picks people he thinks will fuck with the innos etc.

It is also risky for the necro get the creature to let him know who he is.
I expect the creature to be deliberately avoiding his masters, most of the time, except on odd occasions where it may defend.

Scum teams generally don't want to be connected.

I dont think you are getting it. Maybe purposefully?

Serc brings up the fact that a creature could send codes to his master.
Why the fuck would an inno say this on thread and give the necro's this idea, he should shut the fuck up. but he doesnt.
As it turns out he was just a silly inno. But the necro's couldnt know this at the time.
The necro's (perhaps you???) think this is the creature signalling them to leave codes and at the same time revealing himself to them.

At some stage I am sure the creature will try and signal his masters, it would make things for them som much more easier. and i would think the earlyr the better....no?
You blatantly refused to vote for serc.

This could be because you felt that there was a chance he fucking tried to signal you as to who he was and tried to enlighten you guys to try and use codes with each other.
christ!!!

Its not that hard to grasp....or is it?
Or are you playing dumb?

[Ruse]

Have i even put a vote on you thyr?

Wow, i feel like you are perposefully roping me in.

thou dost protest too much, methinks

[Liosan]

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 01:22 PM, said:

I would also like to point out the unlikely hood of a creature actually posting hints as to who he will kill.
That makes no sense.

The necro doesn't know the creature.
Therefore his chances of picking that one hint out of many possible hints is small.

The creature does know the necro.
If the necro drops hints, rather than the creature, the creature will be looking over the necros posts closely for such hints, and is much more likely to pick up on it.

So yeah, I doubt the creature tries to signal.
More likely the creature just looks for signals from his masters, or picks people he thinks will fuck with the innos etc.

It is also risky for the necro get the creature to let him know who he is.
I expect the creature to be deliberately avoiding his masters, most of the time, except on odd occasions where it may defend.

Scum teams generally don't want to be connected.

i already stated this.

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 01:27 PM, said:

Ruse, on Jan 21 2009, 01:20 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 01:15 PM, said:

Ruse, on Jan 21 2009, 01:11 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 01:09 PM, said:

As did Kessobahns.
In fact, with the amount of accusations flying around, it'd be a miracle if the person who died wasn't someones suspect...

Did kessoh also refuse to vote for the person who was talking about creatures and necro's and them leaving codes for each other?

Im sure he didn't.
Ofc, me being a necro, I deliberately do stuff like that, which is bound to grab attention, rather than laying low and hopping on the train, inconcpicious as possible. Right?

If you are a necro you would obviously not have wanted to vote for serc as there was a strong chance he could have been your Creature...pfffft
Jeeez.
Sarcasm will get you no sympathy from me.

edit - changed tense to clarify

1. I dont particularly care of you're sympathetic or not.
2. Scum avoid connection. Because then you find one, you find the other. Were I a necro, thinking he was my creature, i would've hopped onto his train and pushed, so that when finger pointing time came, i wasn't a suspect.

I said at the time, I expected him to be lynched.
I was pretty certain he was going to be lynched.
I thought he was inno, so I didn't vote.
Were I a necro, I would have been on that train like a bullet(hence why I think the unexplaining hopper-ons are likely scum) because it would make me look far, far less suspicious than what I did.

thats a big chunk of wifom right there for us all.