[Rashan]

Just an update, we got snoweed on this morning, and I have to work, may not be on at all but, I'll try.

[Galain]

I now feel guilty for only skim reading over Serc, and Liosan's case, which he admits is not the most compelling is definitely one of the strongest at the moment. The more I look at the witch situation, the less I like Serc's views on that. And Serc has been almost scattergun in his approach to suspects.

However, for the moment, I'd still prefer to lynch a low poster than someone who has been quite active, unless I feel there is a sufficiently strong case on someone.

[Ruse]

Ah yes i remember his post about symps never blatantly symping there masters and thought tat was rubbish.
Symps, having a CF of innocent, can blatantly defend whoever they please.
Its killers who never defend each other that I think he was thinking of...

Anyway...about as decent as a day 1 case can get I suppose.

[Ruse]

Galain, on Jan 20 2009, 01:10 PM, said:

I now feel guilty for only skim reading over Serc, and Liosan's case, which he admits is not the most compelling is definitely one of the strongest at the moment. The more I look at the witch situation, the less I like Serc's views on that. And Serc has been almost scattergun in his approach to suspects.

However, for the moment, I'd still prefer to lynch a low poster than someone who has been quite active, unless I feel there is a sufficiently strong case on someone.

I dont think voting for a low poster on day one is good form.

Give people at least a 2 days before you can consider them a consistent low poster. Some people just have RL issues and swing into things when they get the opportunity.

Give it a chance old chap



edit- crazy spelling

This post has been edited by Ruse: 20 January 2009 - 01:18 PM

[Galain]

OK, I'll give them a chance... for now...

In that case, seeing as it probably would be unfair to lynch someone whose RL is stopping them from posting just over this period (or so I'm told) I'll look to lynch the person who I believe looks the most suspicious at the moment.

remove vote

vote Serc

I'd love to add more, but Liosan was pretty comprehensive for a day 1 case. Managed to convince me.

[D'riss]

Liosian made some very good points there, for me specifically:

1. Identifying two possible sympers, I missed this on my catch up this morning
2. Pointing out Serc's re-direction of discussion to the necros and away from the killers
3. Encouraging the witch to use her BP tonight - I disagreed with this earlier but wasn't overtly suspicious
4. His defense of Omtose, who I will still be watching

All fairly innocent when looked at individually but add them all together and

Remove vote
Vote Serc

And some sterling work there Liosian

[Mockra]

yawn

morning all
in a lab, gonna catch up in a min

[Mockra]

Kaschan, on Jan 20 2009, 03:39 AM, said:

Morning morning morning.

Serc, on Jan 20 2009, 01:53 AM, said:

Its the getting another shot at Day One that most spurs me on to ask for it. We don't get that kind of chance often. Usually we mess up on Day One and go after the completely wrong players Day Two, pretty much maximising our losses.

Serc, you've come across as really pushing for the witch to use her BP first night, hence giving us no NK. This strikes me as a bit weird, to say the least, because imo to use it tonight would be a waste - it should be used to protect a player we know has a useful role.

To say that we mess up on day one and then go for the wrong person on day two is kind of counter to your idea, because if we get no info from an NK on night one, then we are probably twice as likely to go after the wrong person on day two.

I dunno, I'm not seeing your argument very well.

Other thing I've noticed - quite a few people seem to be looking for newbies. I think this is counterproductive, it doesn't matter where someone comes from or how many games they've played.

for the underligned part: Witch's BP protects all players when used

[Mockra]

Thyrllan, on Jan 20 2009, 05:07 AM, said:

remove vote, vote mockra

Im sure you'll put this down to me being jumpy or whatever.

My reasons:

1. Attacked me for "jumping about". Essentially, for changing my mind.
2. No one else seems to see emur as scum, and he's defended his vote, and im satisfied with that.
3. Mockra said he was going to attack other people. He hasn't actually. In fact, for a long time, he's just commented on a couple of things, joked about, not contributed much. He mentioned ruse was a little agressive, and he didn't like kess, but that was all he said. No follow-up at all. Not only that, but he's not even trying to push me anymore, and im the train he's on.

no, i'll put it down to OMGUS
honestly, you're getting skittish over 1 vote in a game where it takes 12 to lynch.
wow

also, gotta do the lab, back in 15-30 mins

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 1, less than 10 hours left in the day

23 players still playing, 12 votes to lynch, 12 votes for night


1 Vote Galain (Fener)
2 Votes Omtose (Ruse, Kessobahn)
1 Vote Thyrllan (Mockra)
3 votes Mockra (Omtose, Shadow, Thyrllan)
4 Votes Serc (Liosan, Kaschan,Galain,D'riss)


12 have not voted: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Emurlahn, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Korlat, Meanas, Rashan, Serc, Silanah, Tennes.

[Anomandaris]

The case on Serc does seem reasonable - I did notice that he seemed to be exaggerating the Necro threat somewhat. Having said that, he did initially convince me that using the Witch's BP on the first night was a good plan - there will be at least as many kills tonight as there will be on any other night in the game, so using it now will save the most people. But now you guys are looking at it from the point of view of getting another day with the same information, it would make sense that we use that do-over when enough information has come to light to cast suspicion on more than one player. Both are valid points of view from where I'm standing - I guess we'll just have to see which one the witch takes.

So while I'm not entirely convinced of all aspects of the case, all the other suggestions are very insubstantial.

Vote Serc

I want to hear a defence of some sort before the lynch though.

[Mockra]

Rashan, on Jan 20 2009, 06:38 AM, said:

Mockra, on Jan 20 2009, 01:40 AM, said:

Well, I know i'm inno
not sure what to make of the Rahan and Omtose's "reveal"--if it's true, aftert his gam eanyone trying it will be lynched day 1without thinking twice, but even if they ARE telling the truth, who the hell would believe it?

Kesso's attitude annoys me, but I don't vote based on how I feel.
no one else really stood out to me, tbh.

I never revealed

Serc, on Jan 20 2009, 01:46 AM, said:

Well, I was assuming that even a blocked blocked nk would stop em, so I had to clarify it. I personally don't like Kesso much myself, but Im not suspicious of him, nor am I suspicious of Omtose.
Rashan and Galain annoy me, truly.
With two Necros, it'd just be good luck if both were new players, I think we have to assume they are dangerous.
And yeah I think we need a BP tonight.

Sorry wrong button. See BOLD


The only thing connecting me with Galain is the Avatar. How else do I annoy you. Anyway off to work, just read that and had to respond, more later.

umm, yes your avatars are somewhat confuasable--both visually and semantically
I meant Galain and Omtose "revealing" as killers

[Mockra]

incidentally, done lab.
gotta go get sum food, back in 45 min or so.

[Galayn Lord]

Well im back briefly at the moment should be able to really start playing in about an hour and a half.

For now it seems Serc seems to be getting questioned because he wants the Witch to use her BP on day one so we dont lose it by the witch getting targetted. This just seems to me like your trying to save your own skin and it seems a bit dodgy to me. Personally I dont think it really matters when its used, it gives us protection on whatever night its used so I think it would be a better Idea to use it later when keeping people alive is more of a necessity.
Will do a more thorough analysis later hopefully.

[Anomandaris]

There's going to be the Galain/Galayn Lord name confusion to add to the Galain/Rashan avatar confusion pretty soon, I'm afraid .


EDIT: for clarity.

This post has been edited by Anomandaris: 20 January 2009 - 02:35 PM

[Meanas]

Ok I am back. Going to read up on all of the day one spam.

[Ruse]

Galayn Lord, on Jan 20 2009, 02:30 PM, said:

Well im back briefly at the moment should be able to really start playing in about an hour and a half.

For now it seems Serc seems to be getting questioned because he wants the Witch to use her BP on day one so we dont lose it by the witch getting targetted. This just seems to me like your trying to save your own skin and it seems a bit dodgy to me. Personally I dont think it really matters when its used, it gives us protection on whatever night its used so I think it would be a better Idea to use it later when keeping people alive is more of a necessity.
Will do a more thorough analysis later hopefully.

The case is not only on his talk about the witch.


edit- added quote

This post has been edited by Ruse: 20 January 2009 - 02:40 PM

[Hood's Path]

Morning all! Just finished catching up.

I didn't really look closely enough at Serc until Liosan pulled everything together. None of his statements are terribly damning initially but put them back to back like that and they start to look less offhanded. He mentioned the witch using her BP on day one several times. It seems a bit early to me to be pushing this kind of action. Why not use it later on when numbers are a bit more of a factor? I think he was pushing to use it now and get it out of the way while it would do the least harm. I don't see any real advantage in repeating day one.

I'm not one hundred percent convinced, but this case seems much stronger than the one that was being built against Omtose.

vote serc

[Mockra]

hmm

Serc's argument Re: witch seems a bit circular, tbh
he bases it off the premise (brought up by me) that necros get to submit a longer recruitment list while more ppl are alive. so, therefore, recruitment chances are greater.
now, while the Witch's BP protects us from recruitment for 1 night, the next nigth we end up with the same problem, since the numbers are still large, andNecros sstill get to submit 3 names.

in fact, if the mods round down, then Necros get 3 names untill there are 18 of us, and 2 names a night untill we're down to 12.
it seems to me that it'd be best to have the witch use the mass BP on night 3 or 4, when the numbers might be getting critical, rather than now.

[Ruse]

How many is that for serc now?

My day is just about done.
Considering changing to him as i wont be back till after deadline.

Would have like to have heard from him though.