[Anomandaris]

@Rash: Were it not for the fact that Kessobahn did in fact take the time to gloat about his correct guess, I would have been swayed by your case into voting for him. As it is, I still find him suspicious, but I'm not quite prepared to vote for him yet.

@Sil: Sorry for your loss. This may go the tiniest of ways to cheering you up:

Remove Vote

[Fener]

Shadow, on Jan 21 2009, 06:53 PM, said:

Korlat, on Jan 21 2009, 03:48 PM, said:

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 03:41 PM, said:

Mafia is still more important. Hell, JA watched his dog suffocate on a bone and was too busy playing mafia to pull the thing out of its mouth. He's a cruel bastard is JA.

He was probably just hoping for a good CF.

That, sir, was comedic gold and I actually lol'd

I agree. We are quite amused.

[Shadow]

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 12:53 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jan 20 2009, 01:11 PM, said:

Liosan, on Jan 20 2009, 04:39 PM, said:

Sorry for the lack of posts today but I am getting really slammed in work.

I am quite nervous by how quickly the train has grown though. That is eight votes and serc hasn't had a chance to respond to any of the points made against him. I believe we still have quite a long time left today, but as i am unsure if i will be on later i am leaving my vote where it is. Could someone who will be on closer to the deadline and has voted remove temporarily? Or at least can i urge patience until Serc speaks and is given a chance to address the points i made.

I like how you distance yourself from the lynch train you created. This is about the sneakiest way to try to dodge blame if Serc comes up innocent and I do not like it one bit. You're not on the top of my list yet (mainly because I try my best to avoid meta), but you've climbed quite far in just that little piece of yours.

and my list, for those who wonder:
Emurlahn
Omtose
Fener

... Which I guess warrants a change in votes.

Emurlahn

ANd finally our little Creature is proud of himself, note he never brings up the fact that the creature was the one who killed Emur.

So I say, You are signaling your necro masters, not sure if its Ruse or Thyr, although I am leaning towards Thyr right now. Anyway, thats my case, alot of spam mixed in with some questionable posts, while staying out of sight. Not the best case ever, but I believe it has merit.

wow... this is .... crazy. He just so happened to leave the amount of names that the Necro's get to choose each night. If he comes up undead.... that is a Major slip up.

[Shadow]

Anyway, I am out for a while, i'll try to be back in 5-6 hours.

[Thyrllan]

Re: Rashans case.

Well, while I think it is possible that kesso is the creature, im not scum so im afraid that bit doesn't work for me. Not too sure I can see ruse as necro either.
The main thing for me is the number, and the fact that he doesn't really explain his vote.

Editted, cause quoting a whole case is silly.

This post has been edited by Thyrllan: 22 January 2009 - 12:10 AM

[Rashan]

Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 07:09 PM, said:

Re: Rashans case.

Well, while I think it is possible that kesso is the creature, im not scum so im afraid that bit doesn't work for me. Not too sure I can see ruse as necro either.
The main thing for me is the number, and the fact that he doesn't really explain his vote.

Editted, cause quoting a whole case is silly.

Thank you for removing that case. But not sure about the number thing, as its typical mafia to give 3 top suspecs, see also my initial list today, Tennes and GL for low posting and Ruse for general scumminess based on gut. 3 top suspects.

[Thyrllan]

Aye, thats one reason I haven't voted.
Seems a bit circumstantial.

I also would like to point out that I voted both Fener and Emurlahn, but since im not necro, this holds little for me, and makes me think it could be a bit coincidental.

[Thyrllan]

Well, im off to bed, goodnight.
Busy tommorow, so I wont be posting till later.

[Galayn Lord]

Ok Ive just checked Rashans case on Kesso and a few things stood out to me.

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 08:53 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 10:24 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 04:17 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 19 2009, 04:14 PM, said:

I believe that was already mentioned somewhere, no?
You restating argument middle of the road scummy person you

But on a more serious note yes, that is probably the strangest thing amongst the RP.
Though Rashans vote on kaschan struck me as odd aswell, just a kinda gut thing.

Omtose does seem quite nervous, it is true.. And also Fener seems.. I dunno, strange. His vote too was odd.

you know what... this tickles me enough in the wrong way I think Omtose just moved up as the strongest killer candidate.. all the joking aside that post really stood out.
Omtose

He quotes his own quote and then votes because of it? But to continue he starts disagreeing with himself
Ok this seems weird and the only reason I can think he did it is because when he voted he didnt realise the Post he quoted was his own and he thought that someone had agreed with his case. I dont like this, it definitely looks like he's fishing for a reaction and when he thought he got one he placed a vote, very much trying not to step on toes.

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 10:50 AM, said:

it will always be gut on the first day, and in all honesty I am of two minds about Omtose. For one I don't like the post and the nervousness it radiates, but at the same time I do recognice that small things become huge in the absence of larger blocks of information – which is essentially why day 1 lynches are as odd as they are – ergo I may be less objective in this regard than I would've liked. Omtose is a strong player, if a bit too willing to parrot my every say in an attempt to seem wise, and so I am not quite convinced we should move to lynch him today..

But at the same time, he seems so guilty!

He will get called out for being middle of the road, and puts on a good defense, but this post is really what starts my case, the others are just background
Then in this quote he second guesses himself,nonw I dont know what else had gone on in the thread so I could be wrong but it does seem like he's realsied noones going to go for this lynch and is looking for a way to get out of his vote without looking he's just vote hopping.

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 11:08 AM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jan 19 2009, 04:59 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 07:50 AM, said:

it will always be gut on the first day, and in all honesty I am of two minds about Omtose. For one I don't like the post and the nervousness it radiates, but at the same time I do recognice that small things become huge in the absence of larger blocks of information – which is essentially why day 1 lynches are as odd as they are – ergo I may be less objective in this regard than I would've liked. Omtose is a strong player, if a bit too willing to parrot my every say in an attempt to seem wise, and so I am not quite convinced we should move to lynch him today..

But at the same time, he seems to guilty!

He does seem very guilty! The thing about it is he's not really doing anything to deny the guilt. It seems odd to me, at first he was nervous about it and now he's throwing it all out there in a way. Very erratic behaviour! An attempt at some reverse psychology perhaps?

the best way to avoid this kind of thing is to ignore it.. unless someone latches on. Unfortunately for the killers, it's often difficult to do that.

Now here Im really confused its as if he's totally forgotten he made the case in the first place. Is it possible theres 2 people in this alt
Now stay with me, its an odd thing to do, defend against your own case. Like I said he gets called on it and puts up a reasonable defense, but this behavior could be a bit of signaling to your masters. Now lets get some meat as to why I think he's scummy

Kessobahn, on Jan 20 2009, 01:11 PM, said:

Liosan, on Jan 20 2009, 04:39 PM, said:

Sorry for the lack of posts today but I am getting really slammed in work.

I am quite nervous by how quickly the train has grown though. That is eight votes and serc hasn't had a chance to respond to any of the points made against him. I believe we still have quite a long time left today, but as i am unsure if i will be on later i am leaving my vote where it is. Could someone who will be on closer to the deadline and has voted remove temporarily? Or at least can i urge patience until Serc speaks and is given a chance to address the points i made.

I like how you distance yourself from the lynch train you created. This is about the sneakiest way to try to dodge blame if Serc comes up innocent and I do not like it one bit. You're not on the top of my list yet (mainly because I try my best to avoid meta), but you've climbed quite far in just that little piece of yours.

and my list, for those who wonder:
Emurlahn
Omtose
Fener

... Which I guess warrants a change in votes.

Emurlahn

Finally in light of Emurs death this does seem suspiciously like signalling, but I dont know who to, Why do you say you think its Ruse or thyrllan?
ANd finally our little Creature is proud of himself, note he never brings up the fact that the creature was the one who killed Emur.

So I say, You are signaling your necro masters, not sure if its Ruse or Thyr, although I am leaning towards Thyr right now. Anyway, thats my case, alot of spam mixed in with some questionable posts, while staying out of sight. Not the best case ever, but I believe it has merit.

All in all I definitely agree that there is something fishy about him, he just looks like he's trying to protect himself too much.

[Korlat]

Well, things are pretty much dead, so I'm off for a while. You people and your "time zones."



(Though I suspect I'm the only person in my time zone, as in previous games)



Edit: Cross-posted with GL's analysis of the Kesso case, and it's definitely looking stronger all the time. I'll have to chew on it mentally before I come back and commit to change my vote, though.

This post has been edited by Korlat: 22 January 2009 - 12:32 AM

[Fener]

Well, after keeping an eye on the thread all day, I believe its now time for some Warcraft3. See y'all later.

[Thyrllan]

Back briefly.
I believe I was mentioned as a possible necro because, prior to kessos vote, I had voted emurlahn.
Or just cause he thinks im general all round scuminess.

[Anomandaris]

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 08:53 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 11:08 AM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jan 19 2009, 04:59 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 07:50 AM, said:

it will always be gut on the first day, and in all honesty I am of two minds about Omtose. For one I don't like the post and the nervousness it radiates, but at the same time I do recognice that small things become huge in the absence of larger blocks of information – which is essentially why day 1 lynches are as odd as they are – ergo I may be less objective in this regard than I would've liked. Omtose is a strong player, if a bit too willing to parrot my every say in an attempt to seem wise, and so I am not quite convinced we should move to lynch him today..

But at the same time, he seems to guilty!

He does seem very guilty! The thing about it is he's not really doing anything to deny the guilt. It seems odd to me, at first he was nervous about it and now he's throwing it all out there in a way. Very erratic behaviour! An attempt at some reverse psychology perhaps?

the best way to avoid this kind of thing is to ignore it.. unless someone latches on. Unfortunately for the killers, it's often difficult to do that.

Now stay with me, its an odd thing to do, defend against your own case. Like I said he gets called on it and puts up a reasonable defense, but this behavior could be a bit of signaling to your masters. Now lets get some meat as to why I think he's scummy

This seems alright to me...Kesso is talking about Omtose's method of dealing with the attention he's getting - I don't see how he's arguing against his own case.


As I said before, the other bits of Rashan's case are interesting and almost enough for me to vote for him, but it hinges on those name drops on Day 1. Would he have called attention to it if he thought it was incriminating evidence? I'm not convinced he would have done.

[Hood's Path]

Galayn Lord, on Jan 21 2009, 04:28 PM, said:

Ok Ive just checked Rashans case on Kesso and a few things stood out to me.

Rashan, on Jan 21 2009, 08:53 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 10:24 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 04:17 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jan 19 2009, 04:14 PM, said:

I believe that was already mentioned somewhere, no?
You restating argument middle of the road scummy person you

But on a more serious note yes, that is probably the strangest thing amongst the RP.
Though Rashans vote on kaschan struck me as odd aswell, just a kinda gut thing.

Omtose does seem quite nervous, it is true.. And also Fener seems.. I dunno, strange. His vote too was odd.

you know what... this tickles me enough in the wrong way I think Omtose just moved up as the strongest killer candidate.. all the joking aside that post really stood out.
Omtose

He quotes his own quote and then votes because of it? But to continue he starts disagreeing with himself
Ok this seems weird and the only reason I can think he did it is because when he voted he didnt realise the Post he quoted was his own and he thought that someone had agreed with his case. I dont like this, it definitely looks like he's fishing for a reaction and when he thought he got one he placed a vote, very much trying not to step on toes.

This is a good point I don't know how you can't recognize your own post. Unless it was an after thought but in that case he could have jus edited his initial post.

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 10:50 AM, said:

it will always be gut on the first day, and in all honesty I am of two minds about Omtose. For one I don't like the post and the nervousness it radiates, but at the same time I do recognice that small things become huge in the absence of larger blocks of information – which is essentially why day 1 lynches are as odd as they are – ergo I may be less objective in this regard than I would've liked. Omtose is a strong player, if a bit too willing to parrot my every say in an attempt to seem wise, and so I am not quite convinced we should move to lynch him today..

But at the same time, he seems so guilty!

He will get called out for being middle of the road, and puts on a good defense, but this post is really what starts my case, the others are just background
Then in this quote he second guesses himself,nonw I dont know what else had gone on in the thread so I could be wrong but it does seem like he's realsied noones going to go for this lynch and is looking for a way to get out of his vote without looking he's just vote hopping.

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 11:08 AM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jan 19 2009, 04:59 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jan 19 2009, 07:50 AM, said:

it will always be gut on the first day, and in all honesty I am of two minds about Omtose. For one I don't like the post and the nervousness it radiates, but at the same time I do recognice that small things become huge in the absence of larger blocks of information – which is essentially why day 1 lynches are as odd as they are – ergo I may be less objective in this regard than I would've liked. Omtose is a strong player, if a bit too willing to parrot my every say in an attempt to seem wise, and so I am not quite convinced we should move to lynch him today..

But at the same time, he seems to guilty!

He does seem very guilty! The thing about it is he's not really doing anything to deny the guilt. It seems odd to me, at first he was nervous about it and now he's throwing it all out there in a way. Very erratic behaviour! An attempt at some reverse psychology perhaps?

the best way to avoid this kind of thing is to ignore it.. unless someone latches on. Unfortunately for the killers, it's often difficult to do that.

Now here Im really confused its as if he's totally forgotten he made the case in the first place. Is it possible theres 2 people in this alt

Once again how can you forget the points you've made or your posts for that matter. It's almost as if he's arguing with himself. He's making some pretty heavy suggestions but everytime he gets agreement from anyone he backs right off. Is he trying to distract us from something or someone else? Why make the case in the first place then?

Now stay with me, its an odd thing to do, defend against your own case. Like I said he gets called on it and puts up a reasonable defense, but this behavior could be a bit of signaling to your masters. Now lets get some meat as to why I think he's scummy

Kessobahn, on Jan 20 2009, 01:11 PM, said:

Liosan, on Jan 20 2009, 04:39 PM, said:

Sorry for the lack of posts today but I am getting really slammed in work.

I am quite nervous by how quickly the train has grown though. That is eight votes and serc hasn't had a chance to respond to any of the points made against him. I believe we still have quite a long time left today, but as i am unsure if i will be on later i am leaving my vote where it is. Could someone who will be on closer to the deadline and has voted remove temporarily? Or at least can i urge patience until Serc speaks and is given a chance to address the points i made.

I like how you distance yourself from the lynch train you created. This is about the sneakiest way to try to dodge blame if Serc comes up innocent and I do not like it one bit. You're not on the top of my list yet (mainly because I try my best to avoid meta), but you've climbed quite far in just that little piece of yours.

and my list, for those who wonder:
Emurlahn
Omtose
Fener

... Which I guess warrants a change in votes.

Emurlahn

Finally in light of Emurs death this does seem suspiciously like signalling, but I dont know who to, Why do you say you think its Ruse or thyrllan?
ANd finally our little Creature is proud of himself, note he never brings up the fact that the creature was the one who killed Emur.

So I say, You are signaling your necro masters, not sure if its Ruse or Thyr, although I am leaning towards Thyr right now. Anyway, thats my case, alot of spam mixed in with some questionable posts, while staying out of sight. Not the best case ever, but I believe it has merit.

All in all I definitely agree that there is something fishy about him, he just looks like he's trying to protect himself too much.

[Hood's Path]

I'm just going to sum up what I said in regards to Rashan's case on Kesso as it didn't come out well with the quotes:

How likely is it really that someone would forget or not recognize the posts or the case they've just made? Not very, I would say. In fact at times it seems as if he's arguing with himself. He drops some pretty heavy suggestions and then backs away from them the minute peole start to agree. I'm not sure if he's trying to distract us from something or someone else. He could just be second guessing himself, but if that's the case why not make that clear or edit his inital post? It does make for erratic behaviour.

[Meanas]

Galayn Lord, on Jan 21 2009, 11:32 PM, said:

Meanas, on Jan 21 2009, 04:03 PM, said:

Ok first congrats to whom ever took out a killer. Nice work. Second reading through all of the last couple of pages made my eyes bleed. You are both retards. If I thought that either one of you was scum I would beat people up to vote for you. Third everybody keeps saying that it is totally obvious that the creature killed Emurlahn last night. I don't see it that way. For all we know a vig took Emurlahn out and the creature targeted someone who was recruited. Which means that the cult could now have 2 extra members. That is the worst case senerio.

Also to whom ever asked if the killers could be recruited. Think about it. Uhhh NO they couldn't. If their symps can't be recruited then the killers definately can't. We don't need to have every little thing spelled out for all of us do we.

With all of the attention that Ruse and thyrllan have been making it would be really easy for a low posting scum to hide. I am against the lynching of a possible symp unless the symps have a power. I would rather not lynch Mockra for being a symp. If he is we will never know for sure and if he isn't then we have lost another innocent.

With the worst case senerio being 2 recruits for the necro's I think that it has become much more obvious that we need to hunt them down. Yesterday when Serc was suggesting that very thing the Necro's didn't yet have a possible 2 recruits. Now they do. Plus we are down one killer.

Someone said that if we kill the Necros then the recruited players (zombies) will revert back to normal and we would win. I don't think that this is a likely case at all. I think that a much more likely senerio is that with the Necro's dead the cult can't recruit. They can still win they just have to get one of the zombies to the end game. With more recruits this stands a higher chance of happening.

I am going to take a look at a couple of players and get a case together.


I have included some of the roles for those of you who are to bloody lazy to go back and read them.

This is the post I meant. Now I do agree that The necros are the best choice now, but to me this seems like he's pushing it too much and trying to convince us the killers arent a problem anymore, he mentions plus we are down one killer like it is a bad thing and we need to stop it happening again, This is stupid lynching the killers hobbles the necromancers as well as there are less kills. That and various things about the wording just seemed off in this post and make me think that Meanas may be a Psycopath or at least a symp. Oh forgot... and because of this for now
Vote Meanas
Although I am still suspicious of mockra because of the symp argument against him but at the moment I think Meanas is a greater possibility

Ok there guy how many kills do you think the killers got between them. More then one. I seriously doubt that. I was pointing out the fact that it was very possible that the necros have more people which make them a bigger threat.

[Silanah]

Dead thread is dead
Well I went back over some of the posts and this is the one which stood out for me

Meanas, on Jan 21 2009, 11:03 AM, said:

Also to whom ever asked if the killers could be recruited. Think about it. Uhhh NO they couldn't. If their symps can't be recruited then the killers definately can't. We don't need to have every little thing spelled out for all of us do we.

Why is he certain they cannot be recruited? Maybe he is a killer himself and was recruited for all we know. Nothing has led us to believe that killers cannot be recruited as it only states so for the symps, not killers. The same could be thought for twins as they know each other but that wouldn't leave many people that are able to be recruited.
Might be a good idea for me to start looking at some of his posts.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 2, 18 hours left in the day

20 players still playing, 11 votes to lynch, 10 votes for night

2 vote Galain (Korlat, Fener)
1 vote Tennes (Mockra)
2 votes Silanah (Meanas, Shadow)
1 vote Kessobahn (Rashan)
1 vote Meanas (Galayn Lord)

13 have not voted: Ampelas, Anomandaris , D'riss, Galain, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Liosan, Omtose, Ruse, Silanah, Tennes, Thyrllan.

[Ampelas]

Fener, on Jan 22 2009, 01:31 AM, said:

Korlat, on Jan 21 2009, 06:26 PM, said:

@Fener: Uh, just wondering - why are you trying to out potentially Inno Twins?

If they are setting up a code to PI later in the game, why would you draw attention to it, and make them a target?

Sort of bizarre, trying to force reveal Innos.

2 reasons. First, I'm stating that I know there's a POSSIBILITY that they are innos. Remember, twins can talk off thread at any time, negating the need for coded messages, no matter how shoddy they might be. Second, I don't think they are. I think it's more likely that Galain saw that code used elsewhere, as I have (I think I saw Yellow use it, don't remember what game though), and figured it was good enough as any to use to signal whatever partner he might have. However, if it were twin innos, I'd expect to see a code from Ruse to back him up. I found no such thing, leading me to believe that Galain could be a creature or symp, attempting to signal his master as to a good kill target. Ergo, now that Silanah has deigned to post something:

remove vote

vote Galain


EDIT: for clarity.

I have to disagree with the bolded bit. It's common practice for lovers to code each others name in their early posts so that they can still prove they were part of a pair if their partner died. In fact Yellow earned his decoder card for doing exactly what you are doing now (although the code he found was undeniably a code, yours is kinda circumstantial) and subsequently getting speedlynch for outing innos. Anyway, gotta get to work, back in 8-9 hours

[Shadow]

Well, looks like thread is dead and not much new. I am out again as I don't have the energy to go back over ppl. I'll come back in a bit.