[Hood's Path]

 Fener, on Jan 21 2009, 12:25 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jan 21 2009, 02:57 PM, said:

 Shadow, on Jan 21 2009, 11:24 AM, said:

Wow- caught up I now hate the Illiad, Thyr and Ruse

Unfortunately I think we have a classic inno pissing contest. Fine, it seems over. good.

The HP case, I thought was really good yesterday, even today it rings a bit true. He middle of the roaded it yesterday and has been straight defensive from what I can recall today.

@HP who are some of your suspects. why?

To be honest at the moment no one is really jumping out at me. There aren't any cases I would consider very strong. I'm going to go back and ook into the Ruse, Thyrllan argument. There was alot being thrown back and forth there, it could be less than just a differing of opinions. In an effort to be a little less "middle of the road" I'm going to reserve judgement until I am more sure.

As to me being defensive today I probably am. I didn't think Thyrllan's case on D'riss and I was very strong in the first place. I also found it weird that it came as late as it did when there was very little chance of derailing the train against Serc. I've tried to explain my actions several times now, but alas to little avail.

Bolded part is my point: Isn't that the definition of middle of the roading?

No not really, I was trying to say that I need more time to read through the Ruse, Thyrllan argument. There was lot going on there and I only had time to skim through it this morning. I don't want to jump on the band wagon, and just go with what others are saying. Let me read through it properly first and then I will give my opinion on the situation.

[Shadow]

OK, in the window I see that there has been a case on Kess. Sweet. But first here is what I found on Galain as I am not sure how to go read the thread without losing all the posts I just went to find.

Starts out with a Kaschan joke vote cause he hasn't posted. Then defends it.

 Galain, on Jan 19 2009, 10:20 AM, said:

I'm quite happy with my vote at the moment. I feel that barely active players need lynches. I still think that keeping them around gives no real clue as to what they're trying to do, whereas keeping a top poster around keeps the thread going, as well as providing evidence that can be used for case construction. Unfortunately at the moment, that leaves several people. All of whom I'm more than willing to lynch at the moment.

*tries to summon non-posters*

I actually agree with him here. have been saying so all day.

 Galain, on Jan 20 2009, 01:53 AM, said:

Hi Ruse!

I didn't mean you. Sorry to get you so worked up.

I was thinking in particular of whoever it was who voted based on the fact that Omtose used the word 'kill' rather than 'lynch'.

I think you may need to lighten up a little though.

I think people didn't pile in on Omtose because most people could see that it was a laughably weak case. This amazingly alternative hypothesis has several benefits. It explains why most people didn't vote for Omtose and pile on to the lynch, as well as why guilty people didn't do so (it's scummy to pile onto a non-case), and it even takes into account human stupidity (some people did actually try and pile on a bit). Classy and simple.

As for the whole question about the witch. It's an obvious trade-off between power and use. It becomes more powerful the further along in the game we go, but the witch's opportunity to use it is reduced every day, as there is potential for them to die. So, the witch must decide in their mind when the best time to use it is. Risk vs Reward. A very tactical decision for someone to make really.

Shows some good insight on the Witch power usage, and offers an explanation for why an Omtose train kinda started and was derailed. One thing I would like to ask. Why did Omtose get all the pressure for revealing Killer but Galain got almost none. Also also, where the hell did omtose go? Seems like he vanished when his train did.

 Galain, on Jan 20 2009, 03:47 AM, said:

@ Ruse: I think it is in the rules. Makes it kind of a big deal.

Hi Liosan,

So you are so are saying that you took an obviously tongue in cheek post as fact. You say you didn't WIFOM, but you have. Just because you've done it and made it a philosophy of sorts doesn't mean it isn't WIFOM.

And you say I've been backing off Ruse. Well dur. But it wasn't because I didn't like his reaction, it was because I was thinking of someone else - you - as I clearly stated a whole line further down. I apologised to Ruse, not for attacking him, but because he clearly saw some of my comments as slightly personal attacks, and that's not really how I want to play mafia.

I need to have a look at Serc if people seem to be looking at him. I don't remember anything especially scummy so I hope I get surprised.

Here is where he starts to get a bit sketchy. He doesn't remember anything bad about Serc.

 Galain, on Jan 20 2009, 05:10 AM, said:

I now feel guilty for only skim reading over Serc, and Liosan's case, which he admits is not the most compelling is definitely one of the strongest at the moment. The more I look at the witch situation, the less I like Serc's views on that. And Serc has been almost scattergun in his approach to suspects.

However, for the moment, I'd still prefer to lynch a low poster than someone who has been quite active, unless I feel there is a sufficiently strong case on someone.

after the Liosan Case, he now sees the merits, but sticks by his guns to lynch a low poster.

 Galain, on Jan 20 2009, 05:24 AM, said:

OK, I'll give them a chance... for now...

In that case, seeing as it probably would be unfair to lynch someone whose RL is stopping them from posting just over this period (or so I'm told) I'll look to lynch the person who I believe looks the most suspicious at the moment.

remove vote

vote Serc

I'd love to add more, but Liosan was pretty comprehensive for a day 1 case. Managed to convince me.

14 minutes later, he suddenly changes his mind. Though he does gove a reason, and I actually agree with the reason but then...

 Galain, on Jan 20 2009, 08:21 AM, said:

This bullet train is concerning me as well. To me it points to one of two things. A watertight case (it's good, but not that good, and only exceptional in the context of being a day 1 case) or some scummers are sensing an opportunity. (I think it may be a good case plus scummers). I still think Serc is looking suspicious, but I'm going to withhold my vote for now, and will be back on before day end.

remove vote

If I have time I'm going to look at some jumpers.

he removes vote. there is a lot of waffling going on here. He never did go back and find jumpers, he ended up voting D'riss???? and then leaving the thread.

Then there was this interesting little snippet between him and Ruse:

 Ruse, on Jan 21 2009, 12:42 AM, said:

 Galain, on Jan 21 2009, 08:13 AM, said:

Long night is long.

It makes me get to the point where I'd almost rather lynch people who don't send in PMs rather than a confirmed killer.

Almost, mind you.

How long left?

How would you know who did or didnt send in there PMs ?

 Galain, on Jan 21 2009, 01:52 AM, said:

@ Ruse

Well I wouldn't , der.

It's more of a hypothetical situation. I don't know who isn't doing it, but then again I also don't know who a confirmed killer is either, and you haven't quizzed me on that

I think I could make a guess at one of the people who has barely graced this thread with any posts, and haven't been seen since well before night began.

It was kind of an odd thing to say. He backs it up nicely and it makes sense...but still very odd. Also, Galain who were you refering to above as a killer? I'm interested to know.

All in all... not much there. Some major back and forth on Serc and then a random D'riss vote. I am definately not comfortable with him. But not enough to go on to drop a vote. He could be a killer distancing and, realizing that a Serc lynch was about to happen jumped ship knowing he was inno, he could say "well I thought he was inno, he was, so I must not be scum!" He could be an inno, that just isn't sure of things. He makes some points I agree with about lynching low posters. Could also be a Necro for the same reasons stated above for the Killer. So at this point I am just not sure. I just have a weird feeling about him, and the Serc back-n-forth followed by the D'riss vote just doesn't sit right with me. Ok off too eat. I'll look at the Kesso case when I get back.

[Fener]

 Shadow, on Jan 21 2009, 04:35 PM, said:

OK, in the window I see that there has been a case on Kess. Sweet. But first here is what I found on Galain as I am not sure how to go read the thread without losing all the posts I just went to find.

Starts out with a Kaschan joke vote cause he hasn't posted. Then defends it.

 Galain, on Jan 19 2009, 10:20 AM, said:

I'm quite happy with my vote at the moment. I feel that barely active players need lynches. I still think that keeping them around gives no real clue as to what they're trying to do, whereas keeping a top poster around keeps the thread going, as well as providing evidence that can be used for case construction. Unfortunately at the moment, that leaves several people. All of whom I'm more than willing to lynch at the moment.

*tries to summon non-posters*

I actually agree with him here. have been saying so all day.

 Galain, on Jan 20 2009, 01:53 AM, said:

Hi Ruse!

I didn't mean you. Sorry to get you so worked up.

I was thinking in particular of whoever it was who voted based on the fact that Omtose used the word 'kill' rather than 'lynch'.

I think you may need to lighten up a little though.

I think people didn't pile in on Omtose because most people could see that it was a laughably weak case. This amazingly alternative hypothesis has several benefits. It explains why most people didn't vote for Omtose and pile on to the lynch, as well as why guilty people didn't do so (it's scummy to pile onto a non-case), and it even takes into account human stupidity (some people did actually try and pile on a bit). Classy and simple.

As for the whole question about the witch. It's an obvious trade-off between power and use. It becomes more powerful the further along in the game we go, but the witch's opportunity to use it is reduced every day, as there is potential for them to die. So, the witch must decide in their mind when the best time to use it is. Risk vs Reward. A very tactical decision for someone to make really.

Shows some good insight on the Witch power usage, and offers an explanation for why an Omtose train kinda started and was derailed. One thing I would like to ask. Why did Omtose get all the pressure for revealing Killer but Galain got almost none. Also also, where the hell did omtose go? Seems like he vanished when his train did.

 Galain, on Jan 20 2009, 03:47 AM, said:

@ Ruse: I think it is in the rules. Makes it kind of a big deal.

Hi Liosan,

So you are so are saying that you took an obviously tongue in cheek post as fact. You say you didn't WIFOM, but you have. Just because you've done it and made it a philosophy of sorts doesn't mean it isn't WIFOM.

And you say I've been backing off Ruse. Well dur. But it wasn't because I didn't like his reaction, it was because I was thinking of someone else - you - as I clearly stated a whole line further down. I apologised to Ruse, not for attacking him, but because he clearly saw some of my comments as slightly personal attacks, and that's not really how I want to play mafia.

I need to have a look at Serc if people seem to be looking at him. I don't remember anything especially scummy so I hope I get surprised.

Here is where he starts to get a bit sketchy. He doesn't remember anything bad about Serc.

 Galain, on Jan 20 2009, 05:10 AM, said:

I now feel guilty for only skim reading over Serc, and Liosan's case, which he admits is not the most compelling is definitely one of the strongest at the moment. The more I look at the witch situation, the less I like Serc's views on that. And Serc has been almost scattergun in his approach to suspects.

However, for the moment, I'd still prefer to lynch a low poster than someone who has been quite active, unless I feel there is a sufficiently strong case on someone.

after the Liosan Case, he now sees the merits, but sticks by his guns to lynch a low poster.

 Galain, on Jan 20 2009, 05:24 AM, said:

OK, I'll give them a chance... for now...

In that case, seeing as it probably would be unfair to lynch someone whose RL is stopping them from posting just over this period (or so I'm told) I'll look to lynch the person who I believe looks the most suspicious at the moment.

remove vote

vote Serc

I'd love to add more, but Liosan was pretty comprehensive for a day 1 case. Managed to convince me.

14 minutes later, he suddenly changes his mind. Though he does gove a reason, and I actually agree with the reason but then...

 Galain, on Jan 20 2009, 08:21 AM, said:

This bullet train is concerning me as well. To me it points to one of two things. A watertight case (it's good, but not that good, and only exceptional in the context of being a day 1 case) or some scummers are sensing an opportunity. (I think it may be a good case plus scummers). I still think Serc is looking suspicious, but I'm going to withhold my vote for now, and will be back on before day end.

remove vote

If I have time I'm going to look at some jumpers.

he removes vote. there is a lot of waffling going on here. He never did go back and find jumpers, he ended up voting D'riss???? and then leaving the thread.

Then there was this interesting little snippet between him and Ruse:

 Ruse, on Jan 21 2009, 12:42 AM, said:

 Galain, on Jan 21 2009, 08:13 AM, said:

Long night is long.

It makes me get to the point where I'd almost rather lynch people who don't send in PMs rather than a confirmed killer.

Almost, mind you.

How long left?

How would you know who did or didnt send in there PMs ?

 Galain, on Jan 21 2009, 01:52 AM, said:

@ Ruse

Well I wouldn't , der.

It's more of a hypothetical situation. I don't know who isn't doing it, but then again I also don't know who a confirmed killer is either, and you haven't quizzed me on that

I think I could make a guess at one of the people who has barely graced this thread with any posts, and haven't been seen since well before night began.

It was kind of an odd thing to say. He backs it up nicely and it makes sense...but still very odd. Also, Galain who were you refering to above as a killer? I'm interested to know.

All in all... not much there. Some major back and forth on Serc and then a random D'riss vote. I am definately not comfortable with him. But not enough to go on to drop a vote. He could be a killer distancing and, realizing that a Serc lynch was about to happen jumped ship knowing he was inno, he could say "well I thought he was inno, he was, so I must not be scum!" He could be an inno, that just isn't sure of things. He makes some points I agree with about lynching low posters. Could also be a Necro for the same reasons stated above for the Killer. So at this point I am just not sure. I just have a weird feeling about him, and the Serc back-n-forth followed by the D'riss vote just doesn't sit right with me. Ok off too eat. I'll look at the Kesso case when I get back.

I actually remember one post that made it look like he was lovers with Ruse. He kind of coded Ruse's name into the ends of his sentences. I'll see if I can find it. What would be intriguing is if they are Executioner lovers. Of course, he could be the creature trying to signal his master, but that's up for discussion. I'll see if I can find the post.

[Fener]

Ahhh, here we go. Code (I think its code) was end of paragraphs, not sentences. Bold added by me.

 Galain, on Jan 19 2009, 07:06 AM, said:

Yes it is a ninja costume. How astute of you.

Pirates are passê and very last year.

You really need to brush up on your aesthetics.

@Omtose: No need. If I think that the words I type are invisible, it means that only you can see them. Problem solved. Anyone who can see them is clearly an evil. Generally I don't discriminate between evil and good, but apparently this game is all about dividing people rather than bringing together. Just imagine what a wonderful world we could have if we could all just team up and cast down the mods from their spoiler heaven and bring in a disutopian future.

[Hood's Path]

@ Fener I can't see the bolded section of the quote. Which part were you referring to?

[Meanas]

 Korlat, on Jan 21 2009, 09:22 PM, said:

 Meanas, on Jan 21 2009, 01:13 PM, said:

So sorry...

I did just notice that Tennes was on for over an half an hour and didn't post once. So either he has finally logged in invisible or he has logged of with out posting. When he is a low poster that is pretty scummy behavior. People are calling you out all over the place for not posting anything and what do you do log in so that everyone can see you then not post anything. If I wasn't already voting for a low poster I would cast my vote for him over that move alone.

I'd just like to point out that, by my principles, voting for low-posters so early in the game is a waste of time, and indeed counter-productive.

Edit: And that pushing to lynch low-posters very early in the game isn't just counter-productive, but scummy, thus my continued vote on Galain.

Yeah but letting them just coast along and never applying any pressure is stupid. And seeing a low poster lurking and not posting is really irritating and a scummy/stupid move on their part.

[Fener]

 Hood's Path, on Jan 21 2009, 05:01 PM, said:

@ Fener I can't see the bolded section of the quote. Which part were you referring to?

 Galain, on Jan 19 2009, 07:06 AM, said:

Yes it is a ninja costume. How astute of you.

Pirates are passê and very last year.

You really need to brush up on your aesthetics.

@Omtose: No need. If I think that the words I type are invisible, it means that only you can see them. Problem solved. Anyone who can see them is clearly an evil. Generally I don't discriminate between evil and good, but apparently this game is all about dividing people rather than bringing together. Just imagine what a wonderful world we could have if we could all just team up and cast down the mods from their spoiler heaven and bring in a disutopian future.

Better?

[Silanah]

Hello, just catching up on the last few pages

[Fener]

 Silanah, on Jan 21 2009, 05:07 PM, said:

Hello, just catching up on the last few pages

Hmmmmmmmmm.

[Hood's Path]

 Fener, on Jan 21 2009, 02:05 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jan 21 2009, 05:01 PM, said:

@ Fener I can't see the bolded section of the quote. Which part were you referring to?

 Galain, on Jan 19 2009, 07:06 AM, said:

Yes it is a ninja costume. How astute of you.

Pirates are passê and very last year.

You really need to brush up on your aesthetics.

@Omtose: No need. If I think that the words I type are invisible, it means that only you can see them. Problem solved. Anyone who can see them is clearly an evil. Generally I don't discriminate between evil and good, but apparently this game is all about dividing people rather than bringing together. Just imagine what a wonderful world we could have if we could all just team up and cast down the mods from their spoiler heaven and bring in a disutopian future.

Better?

Much! Thanks

[Fener]

 Hood's Path, on Jan 21 2009, 05:09 PM, said:

 Fener, on Jan 21 2009, 02:05 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jan 21 2009, 05:01 PM, said:

@ Fener I can't see the bolded section of the quote. Which part were you referring to?

 Galain, on Jan 19 2009, 07:06 AM, said:

Yes it is a ninja costume. How astute of you.

Pirates are passê and very last year.

You really need to brush up on your aesthetics.

@Omtose: No need. If I think that the words I type are invisible, it means that only you can see them. Problem solved. Anyone who can see them is clearly an evil. Generally I don't discriminate between evil and good, but apparently this game is all about dividing people rather than bringing together. Just imagine what a wonderful world we could have if we could all just team up and cast down the mods from their spoiler heaven and bring in a disutopian future.

Better?

Much! Thanks

NP. Comment? Suspicion? Dismissal?

[Hood's Path]

 Fener, on Jan 21 2009, 02:10 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jan 21 2009, 05:09 PM, said:

 Fener, on Jan 21 2009, 02:05 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jan 21 2009, 05:01 PM, said:

@ Fener I can't see the bolded section of the quote. Which part were you referring to?

 Galain, on Jan 19 2009, 07:06 AM, said:

Yes it is a ninja costume. How astute of you.

Pirates are passê and very last year.

You really need to brush up on your aesthetics.

@Omtose: No need. If I think that the words I type are invisible, it means that only you can see them. Problem solved. Anyone who can see them is clearly an evil. Generally I don't discriminate between evil and good, but apparently this game is all about dividing people rather than bringing together. Just imagine what a wonderful world we could have if we could all just team up and cast down the mods from their spoiler heaven and bring in a disutopian future.

Better?

Much! Thanks

NP. Comment? Suspicion? Dismissal?

Well do you think this is the only post? Or do you think we need to start examining the ends of all their paragraphs? I only ask because U R S E isn't a lot to go on.

[Meanas]

 Fener, on Jan 21 2009, 10:05 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jan 21 2009, 05:01 PM, said:

@ Fener I can't see the bolded section of the quote. Which part were you referring to?

 Galain, on Jan 19 2009, 07:06 AM, said:

Yes it is a ninja costume. How astute of you.

Pirates are passê and very last year.

You really need to brush up on your aesthetics.

@Omtose: No need. If I think that the words I type are invisible, it means that only you can see them. Problem solved. Anyone who can see them is clearly an evil. Generally I don't discriminate between evil and good, but apparently this game is all about dividing people rather than bringing together. Just imagine what a wonderful world we could have if we could all just team up and cast down the mods from their spoiler heaven and bring in a disutopian future.

Better?

That is a horrible code if it is a code. URSE hahaha. If he is trying to say Ruse then that is a bigger mess up then Gaurd.

It is a weird post and their could be something there but I think that it is a stretch. But that could just be me. I personally have never put much stock into codes. They have to be especially obvious for most people to see them and then what is the point of having a code. Plus half of the time the code is something that scum/ or a symp put in to be able to fake reveal later in the game.

[Meanas]

 Silanah, on Jan 21 2009, 10:07 PM, said:

Hello, just catching up on the last few pages

Don't want to say I called it but.

[Thyrllan]

 Fener, on Jan 21 2009, 08:58 PM, said:

He could be scum, waiting for approval before he comes out and votes his own train. I've done that before and almost been killed for it.

Hehehe



that is all.

[Thyrllan]

Its a pity it wasn't:


Yes it is a ninja costume. How astute of ya.

Pirates are passê and very last year.

You really need to brush up on your aesthetics.

@Omtose: No need. If I think that the words I type are invisible, it means that only you can see them. Problem solved. Anyone who can see them is clearly an evil. Generally I don't discriminate between evil and good, but apparently this game is all about dividing people rather than bringing together. Just imagine what a wonderful world we could have if we could all just team up and cast down the mods from their spoiler heaven and bring in a disutopian future.

Now thats what I call a code

This post has been edited by Thyrllan: 21 January 2009 - 10:18 PM

[Meanas]

 Thyrllan, on Jan 21 2009, 10:15 PM, said:

 Fener, on Jan 21 2009, 08:58 PM, said:

He could be scum, waiting for approval before he comes out and votes his own train. I've done that before and almost been killed for it.

Hehehe



that is all.

Have something to tell us Thy.

[Hood's Path]

 Meanas, on Jan 21 2009, 02:13 PM, said:

 Fener, on Jan 21 2009, 10:05 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jan 21 2009, 05:01 PM, said:

@ Fener I can't see the bolded section of the quote. Which part were you referring to?

 Galain, on Jan 19 2009, 07:06 AM, said:

Yes it is a ninja costume. How astute of you.

Pirates are passê and very last year.

You really need to brush up on your aesthetics.

@Omtose: No need. If I think that the words I type are invisible, it means that only you can see them. Problem solved. Anyone who can see them is clearly an evil. Generally I don't discriminate between evil and good, but apparently this game is all about dividing people rather than bringing together. Just imagine what a wonderful world we could have if we could all just team up and cast down the mods from their spoiler heaven and bring in a disutopian future.

Better?

That is a horrible code if it is a code. URSE hahaha. If he is trying to say Ruse then that is a bigger mess up then Gaurd.

It is a weird post and their could be something there but I think that it is a stretch. But that could just be me. I personally have never put much stock into codes. They have to be especially obvious for most people to see them and then what is the point of having a code. Plus half of the time the code is something that scum/ or a symp put in to be able to fake reveal later in the game.

The other problem with it is that the posts happened really early on in day one. It seems a bit early for them to be trying to communicate anything useful to one another using code. Unless they were just testing it out? I have no idea what URSE could possibly mean so if it is code it's pretty involved if they can send whoel messages to one another with four words.

[Meanas]

Ok I have to go off and study for class. I probably won't be back on till morning (my morning not the games).

[Thyrllan]

Well, lets just say I ah, involved in that incident in a well, minor way.
I played a very little part in it all.
Very minor.*

*He ended up finder revealing to save himself. Lucky bastard was right about scum though, so I layed off

This post has been edited by Thyrllan: 21 January 2009 - 10:28 PM