[Yellow]

Path-Shaper, on Jan 26 2009, 11:59 AM, said:

Yellow should have known better after last time...

Ha! I specifically told him not to reveal it, because he would get lynched

I overestimated my persuasion skills!

This post has been edited by Yellow: 27 January 2009 - 07:31 AM

[Kurt Montandon]

@Morgoth: The CF is utterly vital - otherwise we have no idea what happened. Ever. And then you wind up with a frustrating game that comes down to the last three people. It also makes it impossible to reveal a partnered code-reveal, which is what bothered me. I'd set up a code with Silanah on Day 1, but it relied, as usual, upon one of us dying and coming up Inno so that the other could Prove Inno with a code reveal. So, that was really frustration speaking.

But, yeah, without at least a faction CF, the game is blocked from any progress. Trains become irrelevant. Finder reveals become untrustworthy. That's not fun, that's just painful and frustrating. This may be the first time I'm glad I got killed off, I'm not sure I could have stood the game to come.

And I take back what I said about the Innos being Crippled - I didn't realize there was another Finder. Of course, I was right about Liosan finding me out - he seemed convinced by my confidence regarding Kaschan. Probably should've been a bit more subtle on that one ...


EDIT: I'd like to add the caveat that losing the CF late in the game wouldn't be so harmful - like, say after at least half the players are gone. But so soon?

This post has been edited by Kurt Montandon: 27 January 2009 - 07:34 AM

[Yellow]

Morgoth, on Jan 26 2009, 12:10 PM, said:

Jump Around, on Jan 26 2009, 01:06 PM, said:

I was thinking that once the CF shows you that Fener was m45, all you had to do was alt-guess Yellow and "make a case" against him.

I mean, he was obviously partnered to Fener, who else would find the unbreakable URSE code?

Haha, had I alt guessed Yellow at the time I might just have done that

still, URSE? It must be the least likely code I've seen here, defeating even the GARD

Jesus, haven't any of you heard of anagrams? Plus, M45 got it wrong, he picked out semmingly random letters from around the post

Last letter of each sentence, anagram of Ruse.

[Jump Around]

Allright, now it's :

Dibs, Vengeance and the fear of Necros vs 2 finders, a witch, a vig and a bunch of innos.

We have ourselves a game I think

[Yellow]

Kurt Montandon, on Jan 27 2009, 07:31 AM, said:

But, yeah, without at least a faction CF, the game is blocked from any progress. Trains become irrelevant. Finder reveals become untrustworthy. That's not fun, that's just painful and frustrating. This may be the first time I'm glad I got killed off, I'm not sure I could have stood the game to come.

While I agree that a CF is majorly important to the innos, I'm actually glad when you can't trust the finds. It's not supposed to be mafia-by-numbers.

[Yellow]

Kurt Montandon, on Jan 27 2009, 07:31 AM, said:

EDIT: I'd like to add the caveat that losing the CF late in the game wouldn't be so harmful - like, say after at least half the players are gone. But so soon?

Mate, the innos had three finders. What more do you want? In the absence of a CF, you have to make convincing cases rather than just waiting for the finders to reveal.

[Path-Shaper]

You forgot the Executioners JA! They don't make a huge difference early on, but now they'll really come into their own. Especially when there is no obvious suspects and the voting will probably get split. They can lynch with only 5 players with both Executioners on board a train.

I think the Innos are in the lead two finds is pretty handy and the Witch gives them another whole day. Although I suspect they'll go Ano, HP or Mockra for the finds tonight. But its still anyones game, outside the Necromancers who were disappointingly lead by Yellow...

HP as the Wild card can end the game right now if they Vig Liosan.

[Jump Around]

Path-Shaper, on Jan 27 2009, 09:59 AM, said:

HP as the Wild card can end the game right now if they Vig Liosan.

Wouldn't that be something

[Morgoth]

Path-Shaper, on Jan 27 2009, 08:59 AM, said:

You forgot the Executioners JA! They don't make a huge difference early on, but now they'll really come into their own. Especially when there is no obvious suspects and the voting will probably get split. They can lynch with only 5 players with both Executioners on board a train.

I think the Innos are in the lead two finds is pretty handy and the Witch gives them another whole day. Although I suspect they'll go Ano, HP or Mockra for the finds tonight. But its still anyones game, outside the Necromancers who were disappointingly lead by Yellow...

HP as the Wild card can end the game right now if they Vig Liosan.

I think that would make my day.. no, my week

[Morgoth]

Yellow, on Jan 27 2009, 08:35 AM, said:

Kurt Montandon, on Jan 27 2009, 07:31 AM, said:

But, yeah, without at least a faction CF, the game is blocked from any progress. Trains become irrelevant. Finder reveals become untrustworthy. That's not fun, that's just painful and frustrating. This may be the first time I'm glad I got killed off, I'm not sure I could have stood the game to come.

While I agree that a CF is majorly important to the innos, I'm actually glad when you can't trust the finds. It's not supposed to be mafia-by-numbers.

exactly. no cf basically means the game becomes all about persuasion, which is how it is supposed to be. The CF is a crutch that just isn't neccessary. It makes the games easier but it is not vital. Without a CF you just have to think more and make more conclusions by your self

[Jump Around]

Liosan, on Jan 27 2009, 11:44 AM, said:

By that rationale though i am confident he was roleless, or the mods might have been more forceful in making him play. If he was roled i would hope that ability would be passed on, losing a roled innocent through indolence is criminal and unfair to boot.

I'm not sure how we can be more forceful in making him play. It's not like the guy was at his first game.

One thing that's worst than an inactivity modkill, though, is a scum inactivity modkill. That's not a first here (Beauchelin was the first when Venge and I were his co-killer), but it still pisses me off to no end.

[Morgoth]

Jump Around, on Jan 27 2009, 11:03 AM, said:

Liosan, on Jan 27 2009, 11:44 AM, said:

By that rationale though i am confident he was roleless, or the mods might have been more forceful in making him play. If he was roled i would hope that ability would be passed on, losing a roled innocent through indolence is criminal and unfair to boot.

I'm not sure how we can be more forceful in making him play. It's not like the guy was at his first game.

One thing that's worst than an inactivity modkill, though, is a scum inactivity modkill. That's not a first here (Beauchelin was the first when Venge and I were his co-killer), but it still pisses me off to no end.

aye. If venge and dibs pulls this off I'll be very very impressed. Still though, no focus on them as of yet.

[Path-Shaper]

Yeah Modkilling Tennes sucked, but wasn't a lot of choice, he wasn't putting in provisionals, and hadn't posted since the 23rd of January. Which he managed one whole post for that day.

Poor Vengy is going to have a fit when he reads this,
From Liosan

Misguided Dibs said:

i bet thats the first time the remaining killer has made an eight post case on someone who keeps agreeing with them and giving symp vibes hehe

i really hope ano isnt a symp, but if he was he should have been pushing lynches not halting them. i think shadow or omtose is one symp, and possibly mockra the other.

if i have three, i am sorted. hopefully the creature is dead, but if ano is the necro and when lynched another dies, it means the creature is still about and i think silanah is next

Silanah is a good choice to be be killed. Poor Meanas though he's doing a good job but no love from the Dibster. Keeping Shadow around as a possible Symp is going to come back and bite Dibs right on the ass.



And now from DKT who has fallen right into Dibies large case making hands

Ruse said:

Wow quite a bit has happened.
I had lost my intardnets connection for most of yesterday....kak one

Anyways...Dibs is building some major cases here. I mean like HUGE fucking cases (it is dibs no?...liodibs?)
The think i think is he could have a role, and he could have received info lastnight that has got him convinced. I mean he is really putting allot of time into these cases.
Unless he is just bored at work (wish i was but i swomped)

So i dunno...but i think i will follow his lead for now....as i think he might be getting info (psychic?) plus i have absolutely nothing to go on exept for how people play on thread. like a perpetual day one
But we shall see, we shall see.

[Path-Shaper]

And more from the Dktster

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Changed my mind...not too sure who liosan is anymore.
Has a dibsy style...but so do a few others ive just noticed.

Shame on you for not knowing its Dibs. He's almost as easy to spot as JA and Ment

[Jump Around]

You can tell dktorode is busy. He hasn't made a case in the game so far, and besides his spat with Thyrllan, he's been quiet.

[Path-Shaper]

Ahh and now we have Mockra, entitled OMFG

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Are these people (voting ano) being dense on purpose?

this isn't a fucking regular cult.
this cult ONLY recruits when there are NKs
remove the killers--and they're helpless

it's the same thing as removing the recruiter today, BUt guess what? we'll have ONE LESS NK

and then these bastards complain that I don't post content... and when I do, everyone pointedly ignores it.



Omtose is the fucking psycho symp--has been from Day 1.

[Morgoth]

yeah, there's been way too much focus on catching the cult. The killer is the most dangerous player left, and if they get him they know that might spell the end of the killer team.

[Morgoth]

holy shit but DiBs makes large cases.. Not much in the way of actual content mind you. Just loads and loads of quotes. People fall for it though, which is sad in a way. As a great man once said: And now the dominoes will fall like a house of cards, check mate.

[Path-Shaper]

Sure to be honest, I see a large case and just assume its good I actually read his case though and its pretty weak. I can see Ment hasn't fallen for it.

Anyway some more from Dibs which might make him rethinking his symp.

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i think i have made some big booboos in my distribution. too many players agreeing with me and ones i expected to follow not doing so.

i really hope gl was the creature, but i have my doubts, so gotta see what the night brings, may withhold though and lynch hp tomorrow then mockra the day after saying he withheld to frame him, that would get the numbers down

[Path-Shaper]

And yet more from Mockra, its amusing how wrong he is.

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I wish I was scum

then I'd at least have a reason to vote for all these flimsy cases, becasue i'd know we're just hitting innos

you have no idea how much I want to just yell at all of them to open their eyes and think outside their pretty "Yellow-was-a-necro-because-dead-morgy-said-so" box.
I mean, ffs, I'm sorry but Yellow's lynch was pure WIFOM of the medium NK
if the medium was recruited, he'd have simply lied and said that Kas wasn't undead, duh. (that's supposing he ever was)
but, NOOO... "Morgoth had a gut feeling and he's been awesome before, so he HAS to be right". then the killer (HP) makes up some shit, the symp (omtose) adds to a case of the real necro (Silanah), and Liosan aggro votes and then convinces himself it was a good idea to do so.
and when Ano comes on and tells them what I want to--the fact that the "cases" stunk of WIFOM from here to high heaven, they all say "ZOMG, necro!"

and now Ano's gonna get lynched and the scum (both of them) will sit and laugh and high five each other.

I hope i'm being uber paranoid, but i'm getting a distinct feeling of being strung along. the worst thing is, I can't say anything because i'd be immidiately labelled as "cult" and accused of symping Ano and the Holy Inquisition that made it law that kas was a necro will be all over me.

He's also asked a technical rules question.

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can I turn Liosan into a frog?

i'm a witch, after all...

I'm pretty sure though that Leprecauns can't be turned into Frogs.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 27 January 2009 - 02:40 PM