[Thyrllan]

Hi D'riss.

Keep up the good work

[Emurlahn]

Silanah, on Jan 8 2009, 09:06 AM, said:

Rashan accuses me of being Julii and all suspicions are on me
Hasnt changed since yesterday but all of your speculation has no basis
Find evidence that I am julii before you hop on the train

I explained many times why I think you are Julii, it has nothing to do with Rashan.

The "evidence" is there. It's not proof you are Julii, just that your behavior was completely consistent with one of a Julii. Including your constant self-defense against this accusation, even thought you've always been far from being in danger. Honestly, if you're not Julii, why are you so stressed? Since the reveal, you're playing mostly to prove you're not Julii more than anything.

And I'm not "hopping" anywhere, I would still prefer Thyrllan lynched today.

[Silanah]

Emurlahn, on Jan 8 2009, 03:53 AM, said:

Silanah, on Jan 8 2009, 09:06 AM, said:

Rashan accuses me of being Julii and all suspicions are on me
Hasnt changed since yesterday but all of your speculation has no basis
Find evidence that I am julii before you hop on the train

I explained many times why I think you are Julii, it has nothing to do with Rashan.

The "evidence" is there. It's not proof you are Julii, just that your behavior was completely consistent with one of a Julii. Including your constant self-defense against this accusation, even thought you've always been far from being in danger. Honestly, if you're not Julii, why are you so stressed? Since the reveal, you're playing mostly to prove you're not Julii more than anything.

And I'm not "hopping" anywhere, I would still prefer Thyrllan lynched today.

The more people start to believe im Julii, the more people vote for me
I dont really care if people believe I am Julii as there are people who suspect that I am Bruti or Republican too.
Nobody knows my faction but me and possibly my faction leader if he has a bodyguard power like Thyrllan had.

[Thyrllan]

In fairness to Silanah, from a textual basis I wouldn't say they were Julii.

[Emurlahn]

Man, what a thread-killer you are

[Thyrllan]

Are posts disappearing or is it just me?

[Emurlahn]

I don't know, didn't notice anything

[Thyrllan]

Never mind. Found them. I really seem to have done a number on this thread.

[Silanah]

Im off, see you all later

[Path-Shaper]

Seeing how I just dropped a glass, visible modis still unavailable for a few minutes.

[Rashan]

Ruse, on Jan 7 2009, 06:20 PM, said:

The thing is for the Julii to win anyway, Everyone who isnt julii must be dead. So at that point it doesnt really matter as he'll just be lynched anyway.

this is wrong - the recruiters from the brutii and republican factions need to be removed and their numbers reduced until the julii have a voting block and effectively win the game as the other teams can no longer win.

Shadow, on Jan 7 2009, 06:44 PM, said:

ok, got a VERY brief moment to check in:

once again: I AM NOT A LEADER
of any group.

need I remind you that this is a TMDI 9 game and the powers distribution among the 3 teams need not be in any way symmetrical?

shit, gotta run again.

prior to that

vote Silanah

to give people other things than a Thyr lynch to think about--mind you, just think, because we have tons of time still.
once i'm done with this and get home, i'll do a thororugh re-read to try to see if I can pinpoint any other obvious Julii..

if you are a counter of soem kind you could say if the julii numbers increased over night, or if the numbers of any faction changed at all. There would be no reveal in that surely, you just have to tell us if you think marc anthony recruited

Silanah, on Jan 8 2009, 12:22 AM, said:

I personally dont think that many of the Julii members are active.
Most of us that are talking are either Republican or Bruti, except for a few.

This really stood out for me on my read through, do you know something we dont on the setup? my specualtion was 8V6V6 but i had a strange idea that it was possible that the republic held the majority by a good proportion while the other two factions would slowly whittle it down, making the republic town like and subsequently either leaderless or without a command structure. This would balance against their recruiter because the possible recruitment targets would begin republic and have to be taken back. If that is the case i can understand your vote on thyrllan more because MA would have to start as a recruiter to balance against the numerical advantage of the republic. I am not sure how the brutii would figure in that, but i suppose it could mean that the brutii and the republic started equally with the julii far behind. 2 leaders would make sense then as they would need the extra help.

As far as julii suspects go - mine havent really changed, though i think korlat is not republic, so could be either brutii or julii.

[Korlat]

I'm here, catching up.

[Serc]

Right, I'm going to bed soon. I've given up trying to convince dreamers that I'm not Julii, and instead:

Vote: Thyrllan

He's the reason of the mess I'm in, and I'm holding him responsible. Honestly, Why the hell did he get revealed anyway?

I'm voting him, knowing that I'll drive up the conspiracy theories of me up a notch, which will be denied when I'm dead or lynched (same thing).

Night all, and don't expect me to reply much tomorrow, my left click is screwed up, so frankly I'll be repairing it mainly.

[Rashan]

Serc, on Jan 8 2009, 10:44 AM, said:

my left click is screwed up, so frankly I'll be repairing it mainly.

i really am senile, when i first read this i had to do a double check as i read it as something completely different

[Path-Shaper]

Rashan, on Jan 8 2009, 11:46 AM, said:

Serc, on Jan 8 2009, 10:44 AM, said:

my left click is screwed up, so frankly I'll be repairing it mainly.

i really am senile, when i first read this i had to do a double check as i read it as something completely different

You were not the only one

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 2.
18 players are alive.

With 1 hour compensation for the forum being down, the day lasts for 9 hours and 8 minutes, plenty of time remaining

10 votes needed to lynch, 9 votes needed for night.

7 players have voted for Thyrllan (D'riss, Rashan, Emurlahn, Mockra, Fener, Kaschan, Serc)
1 players have voted for Rashan (Thyrllan)
1 player has voted for Liosan (Ampelas)
1 player has voted for Kessobahn (Silanah)
3 players have voted for Silanah (HP, Shadow, Kessobahn)
5 players have not voted: Gamelon, Ruse, Liosan, Korlat, Galayn Lord

[Korlat]

Seems like I missed very little to say I was out for almost 12 hours...

After all the fuss over him, I decided to have another look over Silanah.

To start with, we had him talking about the game mechanics, saying the Cassius must be the leader of the Republican faction, despite the fact that Shadow had already pointed out that Cassius was related to Brutus and they worked as a team, so that struck me as a little odd. Quite possibly just a misunderstanding, but I could also see him as someone with a Cassius role trying to muddy the waters. Especially when he later says:

Silanah said:

Hmm reading the post again, there is not a word of Cassius but it does speak of Cicero.
Wonder if either of them have roles or not.

Anyway, then I looked at the posts everyone is making the case over. Silanah says he doubts MA can recruit (something I myself was inclined to believe at the time, as a matter of fact) and as a result doesn't vote for Thyrllan, but instead goes after Kessobahn. OK, so it is going with the majority at that time (he was essentially hopping on the Kessobahn train at that point), but if you did think as he did it is logical to try and keep Thyrllan alive until MA is found. Fair Play.

Between that vote and his change of vote, Mockra, Emurlahn and Rashan all pop up and say they think MA has recruiting powers. So then he says: "Everyone obviously disagrees with me about MA's abilities, so I guess I'll join you". It does smack of going along with the crowd. I would hardly call three players 'everybody'. Silanah could quite easily have decided to stick to his guns for a while longer before saying something like: "You guys have convinced me that MA can probably recruit." And switching to Thyr. Doing it so quickly does seem suspicious. Later on Silanah has tried to explain his thought process, but it didn't go a long way towards convincing me.

Later Silanah comes out and calls Rashan 'obviously MA', which seems like a bizarre statement. Rashan is annoying, certainly, but he is pushing for the lynches of Julii. I am less inclined to believe that MA has the power to know who all the Julii are, so a tactic like this would seem reckless in the extreme on the part of Rashan if that were the case. It's more of an OMGUS, as far as I can tell. He goes on about Rashan for quite a while, before eventually calming down enough to point the finger at myself and GL. OK, I say to myself, fair enough, but he never provides any reason for it, just plops down a couple of names. That, to me, is unforgivable - at least put a little effort in! Construct a case, even if it's a bad one, so you can at least pretend to have a reason for doing so. As it is, it strikes me as someone who is casting around to find somewhere to plant suspicion on anyone they can, particularly in tandem with how he was going after Rashan earlier in the day - blindly and unthinkingly.

So in summary, I think Silanah is most likely Julii. Earlier in the day I was sceptical, but now I've had a chance to go through his posts it seems much more probable.

Vote Silanah

[Rashan]

seems the silanah train is picking up steam, i will keep my vote where it is, but change it if thyrllan is no longer viable. Is it just me or is the thread really quiet?

korlat - any thoughts on serc or galayn as possible julii?

[Korlat]

I'm just off for a shower, I'll try to organize my thoughts while I'm doing that and respond when I get back.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 2.
18 players are alive.

With 1 hour compensation for the forum being down, the day lasts for 7 hours and 32 minutes, plenty of time remaining

10 votes needed to lynch, 9 votes needed for night.

7 players have voted for Thyrllan (D'riss, Rashan, Emurlahn, Mockra, Fener, Kaschan, Serc)
1 player has voted for Rashan (Thyrllan)
1 player has voted for Liosan (Ampelas)
1 player has voted for Kessobahn (Silanah)
4 players have voted for Silanah (HP, Shadow, Kessobahn, Korlat)
4 players have not voted: Gamelon, Ruse, Liosan, Galayn Lord