[D'riss]

I'm Spartacus!

[Hood's Path]

Liosan, on Jan 7 2009, 10:13 AM, said:

I agree, if we lynch MA we won't know but Thyr will know because the power to recruit for will be his for at least one night.

Silanah, on the other hand is voting for Thyr right now. This could mean a number of things like 1) Is MA, 2) Julii who supports MA since Thyr has been revealed, 3) isn't actually a Julii.

Besides, if MA is unable to recruit right now then his powers are likely to resemble those of Thyr. So a Julii lynch of Thyr would enable the faction to expand.

Exactly, all Thyr can do is know his team. No one is certain if MA can recruit. What we are certain of is this: MA is alive. If Thyr is dead Julii can win. If Thyr is alive. then Julii can't win. Until we get a confirmed Julii kill I say we leave Thyr alive ( but put a mute button on him) so that there is No way the Julii can win.

[D'riss]

If Thyr is alive, none of the rest of us can win.

[Ruse]

The thing is for the Julii to win anyway, Everyone who isnt julii must be dead. So at that point it doesnt really matter as he'll just be lynched anyway.

[Hood's Path]

D'riss, on Jan 7 2009, 10:02 AM, said:

HP, Thyr is not impotent. He knows who is in his faction - this in itself is not impotence. If Marc Anthony dies, we won't get anything other than "Julii" from the CF, so we will be forced to lynch Thyr anyway, just in case.

So, what happens in that case is that Thyr will have had the chance to recruit in the meantime, meaning that we will lynch Thyr but their number would have already grown.

Add to that the fact that if you're wrong with your thoughts on Silanah (which you have no case for), then either Bruts or Reps will be down another... and by that point, it may not even be possible to lynch Thyrllan due to weight of numbers, because Reps and Bruts are already a man down each, and nobody knows what kind of balance (or imbalance) there was in the first place.

All of these things tell us that we should lynch Thyrllan. How can you trade a known for an unknown in light of that?

I see your point, and like I said, I will switch to Thyr if need be. I do have a case on Silanah, fine... i'll go put it together again.

Also note, everyone is roled. I am basing some of my decisions on knowledge I have. Your "unknown" might not be unknown to me

[Hood's Path]

D'riss, on Jan 7 2009, 10:18 AM, said:

If Thyr is alive, none of the rest of us can win.

Once the first Julii is killed Thyr is a goner. regardless of distribution after 3 days there is no way 1 faction is larger than the other 2 combined.

[D'riss]

HP, think about it: you've just said that we need to kill Thyr as soon as we kill a Julii, or they will take advantage.

But if we wait to kill him, he could have recruited an extra player in that time.

So we must lynch him first. Come on, man, you must see the sense in that?

We need to lynch a Julii, and Thyr is a confirmed Julii.

[Liosan]

Hood's Path, on Jan 7 2009, 01:17 PM, said:

Liosan, on Jan 7 2009, 10:13 AM, said:

I agree, if we lynch MA we won't know but Thyr will know because the power to recruit for will be his for at least one night.

Silanah, on the other hand is voting for Thyr right now. This could mean a number of things like 1) Is MA, 2) Julii who supports MA since Thyr has been revealed, 3) isn't actually a Julii.

Besides, if MA is unable to recruit right now then his powers are likely to resemble those of Thyr. So a Julii lynch of Thyr would enable the faction to expand.

Exactly, all Thyr can do is know his team. No one is certain if MA can recruit. What we are certain of is this: MA is alive. If Thyr is dead Julii can win. If Thyr is alive. then Julii can't win. Until we get a confirmed Julii kill I say we leave Thyr alive ( but put a mute button on him) so that there is No way the Julii can win.

Yea I agree with that, which is why I haven't voted yet. I see it as there is a lot of time left and Thyr is at L-2/-3 so now isn't the time to have this hasty lynch. Lynching a Julii is a good thing, but right now we need a different Julii. If the general agreement is to lynch Thyr then my vote is ready to go there, but not yet.

[Liosan]

D'riss, on Jan 7 2009, 01:24 PM, said:

HP, think about it: you've just said that we need to kill Thyr as soon as we kill a Julii, or they will take advantage.

But if we wait to kill him, he could have recruited an extra player in that time.

So we must lynch him first. Come on, man, you must see the sense in that?

We need to lynch a Julii, and Thyr is a confirmed Julii.

That makes a lot of sense, but the problem is the the unknowns around MA. If he can recruit once Thyr is dead then we are stuck in the same position, except we don't know who MA is. We know Thyr.

[Thyrllan]

[Jedi Mind Control]If you guys help me nail MA, then I'll recruit everyone who votes with me and we can win the game![Jedi Mind Control]

No seriously. I think this is a wonderful plan to ensure a win for all the good guys.

Join me. Join me friends, Romans and countrymen.

[Ruse]

I think we tried that in the heroes game didnt work IIRC

[Thyrllan]

But I'm unkillable if people don't lynch me.

And I'm obviously a much better leader than [insert leader name here]

Calamari for all!

[Ampelas]

No it didn't Nikki got selfish and decided to end the game and Sylar got his arse handed to him on a platter!
That was a fun game.

P.s. Sorry for the absence my Internet is screwing up....

Edit: Cross-post Up yours Thyr!

This post has been edited by Ampelas: 07 January 2009 - 06:38 PM

[Hood's Path]

D'riss, on Jan 7 2009, 10:24 AM, said:

HP, think about it: you've just said that we need to kill Thyr as soon as we kill a Julii, or they will take advantage.

But if we wait to kill him, he could have recruited an extra player in that time.

So we must lynch him first. Come on, man, you must see the sense in that?

We need to lynch a Julii, and Thyr is a confirmed Julii.

Like I said I am basing my decisions off of knowledge I posses. Your arguments, though they make sense to you... are ireleavant. I know you can't trust me and I don't expect anyone else to. The Thyr lynch is to easy. We gain no information from it. We lynch him, he's dead, he's octavious, he's Julii. Boom. back to day 1. Its so early in the day, I want to explore other options, apply some pressure elsewhere. We can't pressure Thyr... he has nothing to hide except the numbers and names of his faction and he's certainly not giving those away. We're taking the path of least resistance here. I don't like it. It's to easy.

Also, D'riss you are assuming that MA can recruit. What if he can't? What if the Julii are stalled till one of them is dead? Then by lynching Thyr we are bringing about the very scenario that is freaking you out right now. It opens the Julii recruitment process. Its a catch-22 in that regard. If you think MA can already recruit then you probably want Thyr dead. If you don't think MA can recruit then there is no way we should lynch Thyr till we get a Julii CF. From the looks of the voting it seems the majority think he can recruit.

[Hood's Path]

Thyrllan, on Jan 7 2009, 10:31 AM, said:

[Jedi Mind Control]If you guys help me nail MA, then I'll recruit everyone who votes with me and we can win the game![Jedi Mind Control]

No seriously. I think this is a wonderful plan to ensure a win for all the good guys.

Join me. Join me friends, Romans and countrymen.

Is there an "ignore" button?

[Korlat]

Hood's Path, on Jan 8 2009, 01:13 AM, said:

Korlat, on Jan 7 2009, 10:01 AM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jan 8 2009, 12:05 AM, said:

I'm here catching up. only on page one so this might be moot, but I wanted to get it down. I think its pretty clear Rash is republican. Maybe its just me... but I believe he is. Then Silanah comes straight out and votes him for no reason other than annoyance. Rash calls him on it Emur agrees and all of a sudden Sil feels the heat and removes vote. Combine this with his reaction to the reveal yesterday and I am starting to believe Silanah really is Julii or maybe even Brutiusiiis ( however you say it) ok back to the reread as this post has probably been rendered useless in 160 posts I need to catch up on.

Just out of curiousity, what makes it clear to you?

I guess because he was going to be lynched yesterday, the train started, it wasn't stopping. I know if I was in his position I would have done the same thing, to give validity to everything I said before the lynch in order to help my team get whatever information they could from my demise. I suppose he could lie... but after the CF everyone would know it for a lie. If he believed, as he said, that there are unequal teams, he is taking a big risk claiming republican if they don't have the majority. I don't see it.

Hmm, it's a point, although presumably he knew about the lynch BP, so he knew he didn't quite have his back against the wall just yet. I think he would be justified in throwing it out there whatever faction he belongs to - it seems to me like it could quite easily be an attempt to figure out who the Republicans are by seeing if anyone suddenly changes their minds about him. But I see where you're coming from.

[Ruse]

I think ignore user would work

[Shadow]

ok, got a VERY brief moment to check in:

once again: I AM NOT A LEADER
of any group.

need I remind you that this is a TMDI 9 game and the powers distribution among the 3 teams need not be in any way symmetrical?

shit, gotta run again.

prior to that

vote Silanah

to give people other things than a Thyr lynch to think about--mind you, just think, because we have tons of time still.
once i'm done with this and get home, i'll do a thororugh re-read to try to see if I can pinpoint any other obvious Julii..

[Thyrllan]

You can't ignore me. I am unignorable.

I have one piece of useful information I am weighing up whether to reveal.

[Korlat]

Shadow, on Jan 8 2009, 01:44 AM, said:

need I remind you that this is a TMDI 9 game and the powers distribution among the 3 teams need not be in any way symmetrical?

This is certainly true...but conversely TMDI 9 does not necessarily imply complete asymmetry either.