[Gamelon]

I know what I'm going to do

If anyone here has the power to silence another player, tomorrow night, Kessobahn, please.

[Hood's Path]

D'riss, on Dec 4 2008, 09:36 PM, said:

I'm off for bed, but before I will

vote Hood's Path.

Yesterday, he said he was a killer. Since then, he has been ignoring that post and requests for clarification with such force and intent that it's like it contains naked pictures of his grandmother.

I want him to say something else than "I'm hungover, bug off".

How can I even respond to this shit? You seem stuck in some kind of loop of some sort. The post was an obvious joke. Everyone's seen that, apart from you.

You're obviously clutching at straws, and the fact that you use this ridiculously thin argument as basis for voting me makes you seem like a bad guy, or an idiot.

.. and what is it that you do not understand about the word "work".

[Gamelon]

Hood's Path, on Dec 4 2008, 09:36 PM, said:

D'riss, on Dec 4 2008, 09:36 PM, said:

I'm off for bed, but before I will

vote Hood's Path.

Yesterday, he said he was a killer. Since then, he has been ignoring that post and requests for clarification with such force and intent that it's like it contains naked pictures of his grandmother.

I want him to say something else than "I'm hungover, bug off".

How can I even respond to this shit? You seem stuck in some kind of loop of some sort. The post was an obvious joke. Everyone's seen that, apart from you.

You're obviously clutching at straws, and the fact that you use this ridiculously thin argument as basis for voting me makes you seem like a bad guy, or an idiot.

.. and what is it that you do not understand about the word "work".

Thank you, HP. Even if its self preservation, at least you see sense here.

[Rashan]

Allright, I've calmed down. Somewhat...

With Mockra's reveal, I'd like to do either of two things.

1. Lynch Mockra.
2. Lynch Gamelon.

I don't believe a word of the 'neutral' business.

At least one of them has to die. It doesn't matter who of them dies, just choose one. I'm voting for Mockra.

vote Mockra

[Shadow]

Ok just managed to finish my reread, sorry it took so long and i missed the lynch but I had other stuff to do in the middle of it. Now first things first WTF Silencer why start a train on yourself and then dont remove your self vote.
Now I think the Kess thing about him being a symp is a distinct possibility but we saw last game that many of the innos were playing in a similar manner so its not a huge amount to base it on, Im pretty sure that if Kess is inno then he's not one of the ghostbusters, I have a feeling they can probably communicate off thread and he wouldnt have gone for Liosan so hard. At the moment most of the things are hiding in Kess's shadow so I wouldnt be adverse to lynching him just so we can get past the fact that he was the main agitator in the lynch of Liosan and focus on whose likely to be a killer, but will hol doff there as it does seem like were getting some other cases and info appearing which is good.
Now on Mokra "reveal" Im not sure what to make of this, if he is telling the truth then leaving him alive is definitely a big risk as we wont know whether he ends up as an evil or a good person, The info about the RI's maybe being neutral does suggest that as we have only 2(?) ghostbusters left he is more likely to end up on the good team but im still not that sure its worth the risk, I will try and keep an eye on his play style and see if i notice any changes in the next few days if he doesnt die.
Right now Im going to go back and check what D'riss meant by Gamelons "good" content exactly as I do think it could be a symp signalling a good kill to his masters if its like what people seem to be indicating.

[Gamelon]

I didn't believe it either but it seems he's right. If only good characters send him good, well, it works like this- RIs, Good, and Evil. I'm an RI, which would explain why I didn't convert him. I even checked my role with P-S to make sure.

edit: and tbh I'm tempted to lynch Mockra anyway, he is a possible risk. If he keeps his guard powers and becomes evil, he can take out a GB's powers from the game every night.

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 04 December 2008 - 09:44 PM

[Rashan]

Lynch Mockra Lynch Mockra Lynch Mockra Lynch Mockra Lynch Mockra Lynch Mockra Lynch Mockra Lynch Mockra...

[Rashan]

Gamelon, on Dec 4 2008, 10:42 PM, said:

I didn't believe it either but it seems he's right. If only good characters send him good, well, it works like this- RIs, Good, and Evil. I'm an RI, which would explain why I didn't convert him. I even checked my role with P-S to make sure.

Bullshit, I don't believe a word you're saying.

[Gamelon]

Rashan, on Dec 4 2008, 09:44 PM, said:

Gamelon, on Dec 4 2008, 10:42 PM, said:

I didn't believe it either but it seems he's right. If only good characters send him good, well, it works like this- RIs, Good, and Evil. I'm an RI, which would explain why I didn't convert him. I even checked my role with P-S to make sure.

Bullshit, I don't believe a word you're saying.

Whatever, Rashan, when I die and come up inno, like last game, don't say I didn't tell you all.

[Kessobahn]

Gamelon, on Dec 4 2008, 04:26 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Dec 4 2008, 09:22 PM, said:

Look, do me a favor. Lynch me. go ahead its cool. It wll let you all get me out of the way. But please please please, continue playing like the symp is still there, guiding his masters. Last game dibs convinced everyone the symp must be dead. Don't fall for that shit, assume at least 2 scum are remaining until game over. ztzhis way you go until you lose or until you hit the only remaining scum. Just don't get lazy.

Providing your masters with ammo against Emurlahn and anyone who might join your train?

I think not, Kessobahn. I'm one of the people here who doesn't care much about voting a possible inno if it has to be done, but I agree, I've said it before, you're symp at most. So inno CF.

What has to be done is for people to ignore you.

Or I could get out of the way. Cool.

[Gamelon]

Actually its not worth the risk to keep him alive. Think bout it, if there's paired killers and a symp, we only lose a possible one by lynch and he gets to block another, but gets nked. And if he becomes evil, well, he gets us to lynch an inno before we get him by lying.

[Rashan]

Mockra is a possible evil guard. Lynch him fast. He's a possible liability to the team. If the evil team gets a guard, we're screwed.


Gotta go, talk to you all later.

[Shadow]

Ok I just went back to check this D'riss thing about Gamelons "good content" and it seems actual bullshit, looking at it, the whole thing seems to have been instigated by D'riss in the first place, as he keeps asking Gamelon to explain what he means by the "ghostbusters could be lover" meaning that Kess is RI or scum, then when Gam does explain it D'riss jumps on him saying that hes telling the scum to use a process of elimination to find the ghostbusters. This just seems ridiculous to me and suspicious as if hes just trying to create something that may seem scummy and see if he can get people to go with it, I dont like it at all, will look at the rest of his posts now and see if there is anything else there.

[Ruse]

So I decided I was going to have a look at the posts of a few under-the-radar players thus far. First up was Omtose. I'm not going to do a post by post analysis, just pick out the bits I found interesting.

Omtose said:

Who do i thnk is scum you ask?
Hmmm...i think kaschan and korlat need to be looked at.
They are hiding in plain sight. Seem to jut be sitting around picking up everyone elses cigarette buds if ya know what i mean.

At this point, it is true, Korlat hadn't said a great deal, apart from weighing in with his views on the probable role distribution. So I suppose it's fair enough, although there are plenty of other players you could tar with the same brush, I don't really understand why these two were deserving of special praise.

So then we have:
[

Omtose, on Dec 4 2008, 09:04 AM, said:

Korlat, on Dec 4 2008, 01:05 AM, said:

Liosan, on Dec 4 2008, 01:51 AM, said:

OK - lynch me!

Remove Vote
Vote Liosan

Because I will laugh SO FUCKING HARD YOU WILL HEAR AND FEEL IT FROM ACROSS THE WORLD.

Now, seriously, I did not "blow up" before. I vote for you. During a re-read.

THIS is why people don't talk - you post, you get slammed for whatever you write. If you defend, it's over-reacting, if you don't, it's ignoring the case. Sure, this is part of mafia - and I love it - but really now. You think you've found scum on day one, do you? Vote me then. I dare ya!

Ummm....Errr... WTF?
You know I am inclined to agree atm that you and Kess are just 2 confused innos.

But really a self vote(Liosan) and a bet on your card(Kess, assuming you do actually have one )? This is getting ridiculous.

So enough about them:

Gamelon, on Dec 4 2008, 04:58 AM, said:

Rashan, on Dec 4 2008, 02:51 AM, said:

Gamelon, on Dec 4 2008, 03:46 AM, said:

Both Kessobahn and Liosan seem, in my honest opinion, to most likely be confused innocents.
But if we need a lynch, I ain't shying away from providing y'all with the required hammer, on either of them.

WTF? What kind of stupid reasoning is that? I smell scum!

Either you think they might be scum, and then you vote for them, or you don't think they're scum, and don't vote for them. You don't vote for someone you think is likely inno! WTF!
And you want to hammer them?

And what do you mean if we need a lynch?

Well, it's simple. I ain't voting for either of them right at this moment. However, if it looks like we need to get rid of one of them simply cus there ain't no other option, I ain't averse to it. There's the possibility that I'm wrong about them being inno, firstly. The big possibility.
And secondly, ya get info from a lynch. Whether its from the train or from the CF. I'm prepared to do my bit, and I'd hope y'all would hammer me if it came down to it. If they get to a point where it's eight votes on one of em, they're gonna get lynched by someone. I'd rather take part in the train and actively play instead of sitting down at the dang sidelines. But until then, unless I see more unusual behaviour of either of them, I ain't voting. Not just yet, no how.

Gamelon I echo Rashan when I ask, WTF? You want to be the hammer of 2 probable innocents? huh? Helpful agreeable type anyone?

And Rash, you saying we don't need to lynch? Thats just a little odd from my PoV. I will agree that if it comes down to the wire a lynch is better than no lynch, because it does provide info and trying to analyze a train without a CF is then damn difficult because we have no clue what the alignment of the person that was about to be lynched is!

Just my thoughts atm. Still waiting on D'riss though

This post is EXACTLY what im talking about.
All korlat is doing is repeating all the stupid/incriminating things people have said, and using all then same responses guys have ALREADY said about these stupid/incriminating things.
He is just regurjitating what we already know back to us.
Classic scum behavior.


remove vote
Vote Korlat


edited- for clarity, stupid sentence is stupid

Well first off, Korlat did actually make a point in that post of confronting Rashan about not needing a lynch. So there is some content in there, it's not just parrotting. Plus, everyone pretty much had to weigh in with their opinions on the Liosan matter at the time, and there are only a certain number of points of view to go round. I don't see any substance to this case at all, but it seems fairly strongly held:

Omtose, on Dec 4 2008, 10:00 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on Dec 4 2008, 04:31 AM, said:

Also, @ Omtose: Korlat seems to adress several issues in a few lines in his post. Not a lot of new insight there, so worth watching to see if it continues and if Korlat is being escapist, but it is not always possible to give an entirely new angle on everything, so for now, benefit of the doubt there.

I dont expect someone to come up with an entirely new angle on everything.
But why bother repeating what has already been said?

I think he is just stirring the pot.

Trying to be "helpful" perhaps?
Its definitely evidence of him being scum.
More so than anything else I have seen so far.

Liosan did over react somewhat. But i get the feeling he was just frustrated at Kessoh's manner. I know i would have been.

(emphasis mine)

Now what is this? This claim seems totally off the mark - shows that he is pushing hard for something that isn't really there, as far as I'm concerned. Which makes me very suspicious.

Omtose, on Dec 4 2008, 12:35 PM, said:

D'riss, on Dec 4 2008, 07:27 AM, said:

Omtose, on Dec 4 2008, 02:23 PM, said:

D'riss, on Dec 4 2008, 07:17 AM, said:

Mockra, on Dec 4 2008, 07:16 AM, said:

vote liosan

OK, am I the only one who didn't see that one coming after reading attentively the three giga-posts?

Yea I was thinking Gamelon was gonna get a big fat vote right there, and then BAM...liosan

I perfectly agree with his vote on Liosan and the reason he put to justify it after, I'm just amazed by the gigantic amount of energy he put to build a "symp" case before being sure about Liosan.

Ha ha ha,
hell, Agree with his reasoning as well.

In fact
remove vote
Vote Liosan

There just seems to be more and more "evidence" to the fact that liosan could in fact be scum.
Mockra's case is allot more convincing.
Perhaps kessoh's attitude has been blinding me somewhat.

So Mockra's case on Liosan is more convincing, despite the fact that it was actually aimed at Gamelon with a weird "but I'm going to vote Liosan instead" at the end? This reads to me as though he's searching for any way possible to justify hopping on the train.

Omtose, on Dec 4 2008, 01:48 PM, said:

Ruse, on Dec 4 2008, 08:43 AM, said:

I'm not sure I want to hop on the train because I am not, at this stage, convinced of Liosan's guilt. I'm here for a little while, in which case I'll have a look through and see if I can find anyone else worth making a case on. Basically, I'm afraid of what happened in the last game, where everyone focused on a few players and suddenly it was get it right or scum win. So I want to at least try and rake up some other stuff, even if it's probably pushing against an inevitable tide at this point.

This was pretty much my thinking aswell.
But i came to the realization that liosan is our only realistic option at a lynch today.

Here is a different explanation for why he switched votes...doesn't quite chime with his earlier statement, in which he said his reason for switching was that he agreed with Mockra's case.

Omtose, on Dec 4 2008, 02:46 PM, said:

Rashan, on Dec 4 2008, 09:42 AM, said:

We have two possible threads to follow here, either we lynch Liosan or we lynch Kesso - both will give us information. I'd rather go for Kesso first, and then Liosan, because I don't like to be manipulated into voting.

then dont vote

More contradictions - when Omtose says he is similarly conflicted, he nevertheless votes anyway.


So overall, I see plenty of very suspicious stuff here from Omtose. Enough so that I could most definitely see him as scum. So Vote Omtose.

This post has been edited by Ruse: 04 December 2008 - 10:12 PM

[Tennes]

Wtf Rashan?
Someones reveals and you're all over them like a nasty rash.
Im pretty sure slimer will be in the game, so im gonna believe him, unless we see a counter claim. Why is it so unbelieveable.
Consider the amount of "good" and "evil" people that ocuold be out there. For one, there would be 4 GBs to begin with, and at least one evil, almost certainly more, so his chance of hitting is fairly high, or would be, had we not lost 2 GBs already.

Losing another GB is really bad. Im pretty convinced they're gonna be needed, for something or other.

[Hood's Path]

Also, Mockra's guard reveal is an exercise in game theory. I for one think the safer option is a lynch. We stand t gain less than we stand to lose by letting him live. Still, I do not advocate a speed lynch here. I'm pretty sure D'riss is evil, and I'm not so sure about Rashan, but we'll see

[Tennes]

We stand to lose a guard.
Yes, he may turn evil, and thats a risk, but if he turns good, that means we get a guard, and a find on an evil.

Also, the only "good" characters I can think of would be the GBs, and maybe a couple of others.
With only 2 GBs left, its not so likely he'll hit them.

[Tennes]

We stand to lose a guard.
Yes, he may turn evil, and thats a risk, but if he turns good, that means we get a guard, and a find on an evil.

Also, the only "good" characters I can think of would be the GBs, and maybe a couple of others.
With only 2 GBs left, its not so likely he'll hit them.

[Tennes]

Fuck, im turning into Grief . Piece of shit library comp.

[Ruse]

Mockra, on Dec 4 2008, 08:55 PM, said:

i have a few minutes to post and thought i might enlighten you all with my peculiar mechanic. i am slimer, a guard and a ghost. I am neither good nor evil, but will become a member of good if i guard a member of evil, and a member of evil if i guard someone good.

i guarded gamelon last night, and i am still nuetral, so he must be either in my boat or something else entirely. I do not know how much time i have over the next few days, and so am revealing out of a sense of spite as vengeance and yellow seem to pleased with themselves in telling me nothing and laughing that my role is basically crap. I asked if i would turn good if gamelon was a symp, and mentalist, bless his soul told me that symps are indeed evil.

Take out of this what you will, but know that if were a symp, i would make an effort to post much, much, much more.

This is an interesting reveal...I'm inclined to accept it for what it is at the moment, if only because it's such an unusual mechanic that it would be very hard to lie about. Unfortunately, I have a feeling that as two of our ghostbusters are already dead, he's more likely to hit a scum with his guard than anything else. As a result, he's probably going to be a little bit of a liability going forwards...