[Kessobahn]

Here, but gone again. can't believe you guys. But sometimes my agression leads people away freom my point. I'll be a round in a little while.

[Path-Shaper]

sleepymod needs to stay awake for another hour before he can go off and write his exam

PMs are greatly appreciated

you hve 7.5 hours left to lynch

17 of you are still alive (Thyrllan, Rashan, Ruse, Kaschan, D'riss, Kessobahn, Korlat, Liosan, Gamelon, Shadow, Tennes, Fener, Silanah, Mockra, Omtose, Emurlahn, Hood's Path)

9 votes to lynch or go to night

1 vote for Korlat: Omtose,
1 vote for D'riss: Korlat
1 vote for Ruse: Thyrllan
3 votes for Liosan: Liosan, Kaschan, Kessobahn

11 people have not voted: Rashan, D'riss, Shadow, Tennes, Fener, Mockra, Hood's Path, Silanah, Ruse, Emurlahn, Gamelon

-ment

[Emurlahn]

 Kessobahn, on Dec 4 2008, 12:26 PM, said:

Here, but gone again. can't believe you guys. But sometimes my agression leads people away freom my point. I'll be a round in a little while.

What a nice, general statement.
Wasn't that what you were ranting against?

[Omtose]

 Kessobahn, on Dec 4 2008, 06:26 AM, said:

Here, but gone again. can't believe you guys. But sometimes my agression leads people away freom my point. I'll be a round in a little while.

talk about the pot calling the kettle black

[Kessobahn]

Haven't left yet symp, lol. But really I'll be back in about an hour. 2 quick points - I wasn't going against low posters, said it 100 times, its the 1 post then out for 24 hours. And then post once and gone til night ends. Thats shit. Again RL issues are different, but if it continues for 3 days, you need to be lynched. Whats the big deal. And getting flack for a weak case on day 1. really? I said it was weak. I agree, its weak, mostly because its my gut, and not yours, lol. Anyone doing any better? As for the , the world is in your shadow shit. If you out post me, and scream louder, I'll be in your shadow, so I suggest those of you whining, try harder. Or lynch me. Either way shit or get off the pot. Now I'll be back in an hour. we'll talk more then
- I know, I know. Sighs of frustration,lol

[D'riss]

OK, done.

Phew, that's lots of info.

For now, I'll

vote Liosan

His hissy fit sounded fake. No offense to the guy, but he did have a general behavior I didn't like too much, before Kessobahn started to give him the Kesso-Love™. Reacting like that makes no sense whatsoever, I think he's trying to cruise on the recent spat of pissed-off innos.

That, and HP basically admitted to be his co-killer, so if it turns out to be true, then we got two for the price of one

[Omtose]

 Kessobahn, on Dec 4 2008, 06:39 AM, said:

Haven't left yet symp, lol. But really I'll be back in about an hour. 2 quick points - I wasn't going against low posters, said it 100 times, its the 1 post then out for 24 hours. And then post once and gone til night ends. Thats shit. Again RL issues are different, but if it continues for 3 days, you need to be lynched. Whats the big deal. And getting flack for a weak case on day 1. really? I said it was weak. I agree, its weak, mostly because its my gut, and not yours, lol. Anyone doing any better? As for the , the world is in your shadow shit. If you out post me, and scream louder, I'll be in your shadow, so I suggest those of you whining, try harder. Or lynch me. Either way shit or get off the pot. Now I'll be back in an hour. we'll talk more then
- I know, I know. Sighs of frustration,lol

You would rather people dont acknowledge that the game has started?
There is absolutely nothing wrong with someone at the BEGINNING of a game, to come in and make a quick post to show that he is aware the game has started.

You are getting upset at people for something they havent even done yet.
3 days havent gone bye...we dont know that these guys that popped in to make a post are going to do this all game!
So wait untill they do actually make "1 post then out for 24 hours. And then post once and gone til night ends" before you start getting all huffy.

[Hood's Path]

oh god allmighty.. I'm sorry guys. I need a few hours of being dead before I can make myself look at the screen

[Omtose]

 Hood's Path, on Dec 4 2008, 06:52 AM, said:

oh god allmighty.. I'm sorry guys. I need a few hours of being dead before I can make myself look at the screen

I feel your pain.
Im terribly hung over....work is KILLING ME.
And i still have so much to do its bloody daunting.

[Kessobahn]

Back. How bout we leave off the low poster bit, for now. And look at the rest of the game. What does it really matter, some agree, some don't, some think I suck, well, most think I suck, but someone asked for a case and some passion. Isn't that what i've done? And if you think Lio is inno, don't vote him, simple. And if you think someone a better lynch, get them, I'll switch, I have no quams about voting for his partners. So stop crashing my case, and start making your own. Whats the big deal?

[D'riss]

So, HP, anything you want to tell us about you and Liosan, now that your liver has given back to your brain the capacity to lie?

[Mockra]

Sorry for my absence, but real life is indeed turning into a bitch at the moment.

part 1

 Gamelon, on Dec 3 2008, 04:25 PM, said:

 Kessobahn, on Dec 3 2008, 04:19 PM, said:

 Omtose, on Dec 3 2008, 11:17 AM, said:

Well this shit day has finally ended.
I shall now retire.
Hopefully when I come back we will have something to discuss, and I should not be as swamped at work either.

sorry you had a shit day at work. when will you be back? tomorrow? later today? lurk until the lynch happens then pop in and blame the people who lynched for screwing up?

I ain't liking the aggression here, Kessobahn. Ain't fair, you wouldn't like it if you had a shit day at the office and all and ya come back to some agro that's just a lil bit unfair.

Vote Kessobahn

Cus agro and high posting, ain't it just a good trick for the scum to hide behind.

Pointing out the reason for your vote is because you cliam kessobahn is actign like scum by being aggressive and high posting.

 Gamelon, on Dec 3 2008, 04:55 PM, said:

I hope our last two folk show up soon so we can get right stuck in to this game. Been too long since I've played a right proper game of Mafia.

I'm thinking I might just go over the game thread in just a lil bit, but in an hour I've got to head off cus of some RL matters, I'm afraid.

However, I'll be back maybe an hour later, y'all.

Just saying now, so I don't get no flak for not posting, seeing as how somebody's got himself right ornery over quiet alts.

By the wayside, did I see a mention of FM above? We ain't seen no sign of FM yet, folks. Unless we're talking bout the generalized Westeros kind. So let's not make any presumptions, no point discussing mechanics when we ain't got nothing and nobody to go by, if ya hear me.

You try to be agreeable too much, it feels forced and a hollow attempt to belittle another player while inflating your own opinion of your self. this is followed by a slap in the face for anyone who wants to discuss the game, it isnt that high a tmdi, its perfectly reasonable to discuss things as even being roleless innocent in your pm lets you know that there are roelless innocents in the game. The killers dont have to hide if no one knows what mechanics are in play.

 Gamelon, on Dec 3 2008, 06:51 PM, said:

 Kessobahn, on Dec 3 2008, 06:46 PM, said:

 Gamelon, on Dec 3 2008, 01:40 PM, said:

So try not to make yourself a big ol' target. Be vocal, got no problems from me, I just don't like the agro, but don't make yerself a distraction.

But the aggression isn't there, its percieved by you, but its not that aggressive, at least towards any single person. Its there as an undertone of frustration. I've got the highest post count out of sheer boredom. It is really frustrating to have 17 people playing and only 2 people playing, and this at the typically busiest time of the day. So yeah, I was agressive, but not at Omtose, just at the game. But I give you scum might play agressive so I get you. Just want to clarify that the aggression was not directed at Omtose.

I see where you are coming from.

Remove vote

Also wanna say that I'm a-hoping that we do have a vocal killer(s) this game. Ain't no fun trying to build up cases from ten posts. Might be safe, but if we get to Day Three and have the majority of people with their heads still stuck in the sand, I'm gonna start looking to get some of you lynched. Kessobahn is right on the mark. Games bout playing to win, not playing to survive.

Flip-flop.

 Gamelon, on Dec 3 2008, 08:06 PM, said:

Kessobahn, I was willing to cut you some nice slack early on in the day, but damned if your attitude ain't getting on all our nerves.

Kessobahn

Learn your lesson and stop being so dang aggresive and annoying.

Flip-flop.

 Gamelon, on Dec 3 2008, 08:09 PM, said:

And I'll tell you why discussing roles and game mechanics is a bad idea. Cus we ain't got not one bit of evidence, not one hint, of what roles could possibly be around. If I was scum, hell, I'd be pointing us all in the direction of killers if I was a FM, for example.

Either you make a case, get yourself some evidence to back up your case and be passionate about that, or you go cool off.

If this was on the certain other boards, you'd be modkilled around about now.

everyone one of us has a little piece of info, if everyone talked the kilelrs would have to lie to stay in and eventually they would be caught out by their lies. If you were a killer and tried pointing more than one way,w ell it would be obvious, because everyone gets their own role and nothing else, so how would you know what they are doing? My guess is you are worried your master or masters were starting to head down a path you didn't like and you are throwing up some warnings for them, because persoannly if inno's discuss the game mechanics the mistakes are generally easy to spot because they tend to over exxagerate the threat. The killers want us blind and voting players off for no reason or else we would spot them quicker.

 Gamelon, on Dec 3 2008, 11:34 PM, said:

 Kessobahn, on Dec 3 2008, 11:24 PM, said:

Notes on the game from my perspective. No need to defend these arent accusations, just talking points for later

• I spam, and get called out for padding my post count on the first serious post I make
  
• I call out Lio in a post and he blows up saying my assumtion was wrong and giving a reason for voting me other than that
  
• I point out that he never made it clear thus my assumption
  
• he says he did give a reason
  
• I ask him where he gave it
  
• he says in the post after the vote
  
• I say but the point is you blew up because I guessed wrongly about why you voted me
  
• he says he did give a reason
  
• point is, he blew up when I questioned his weak case and pointed at him,

thats my case on Lio

• Gamelon says I am too agressive and attack people
  
• I point out that its not an attack
  
• he removes vote
  
• I ask Kas a question in a non theatening way
  
• Game says I attack Kas and votes me
  
• Korlat asks where I attacked him
  
• I point it out
  
• Korlat agrees it wasn't an attack
  
• Gamelon grudgingly agrees and leaves the vote on because the word bad was never used by Kas

There is my case on Game

Throughout the last 5 hours I have been drawing things to the surface. Use it. Ignre the fodder, look at the posts, think this way, if I hadn't been so angry would anyone have voted me? NO, but they wouldn't have reacted in the manner they did either. I am doing this and spamming and talking to draw you all out, get you involved, at least if everyone hates me, you can all discuss my lynch and get info from each other, I appologize if you think I am too hard, but FFS I said it before, I'll say it again, Inno's shouldn't have to try and lay low. So I don't. Look at the heat and repression, shut him up, he is drawing attention from the killers. BS, I am drawing the killers out. I bet my mafia card Lio is scum. Game is consistent in his not liking my playstyle, so I cut him slack. Emur is probaby scum, because he advocates a silent game, never cool. there, I am done. I know I say alot, but I have nothing to lose. Its not like I am a Jester.

Actually, I never said why I left my vote on ya, and I'll tell y'all now. It's cus I don't like your general play style. It ain't helpful, and you've been claiming lot of credit for a lot of nothing. What have ya drawn to the surface? Nothing. Far as I can see, all ya got is a lot of eyes set on yourself. I certainly ain't inno'd you, for all I know you could be an FM sympathiser.

Notice the big writing, peoples?
Its Day One. 17 Hours in, and Kessobahn here thinks he has found us some scum.
I am sceptical of yer incredible daytime perceptive finder abilities.

reading the spoilers of the mini just past, Bent had dibs pegged as scum on day 1 but was distracted and took out q instead. It happens, the only players who want us to believe it dfoesnt happen are the ones nervous about getting lynched day 1. Ie the scum. In the previous full game the kilelrs went like flies because of a stupid drunken mistake.

 Gamelon, on Dec 3 2008, 11:50 PM, said:

 Kessobahn, on Dec 3 2008, 11:40 PM, said:

 Gamelon, on Dec 3 2008, 06:34 PM, said:

Notice the big writing, peoples?
Its Day One. 17 Hours in, and Kessobahn here thinks he has found us some scum.
I am sceptical of yer incredible daytime perceptive finder abilities.

Now whos being the difficult one.

Yup, your right, I have guessed at a killer day 1. Thats why we do this right, to guess who's scum. And if you'll read below that you'll see where I said you voted me consistently because you dont like my playstyle. Its as good a reason as any other. But what I do find interesting is this. Ad forgive me if its a bit of strawmanning. You would vote off a inno, who is obnoxious and not look for a killer. Thats fucked up. Ignre the obnoxious bastard, but why waste the lynch, especially since he stopped spamming and is trying to contribute. Even if it is to the sound of cat calls, and screams of STFU. Really, I made a case and you bash it to bits because it is early? WTF. Thats not right. If no one else thinks that stupid, I will give up my card until I learn how to play.

Edit added any to any other.

Well, I'm being critical because your case is just a little unreliable and based, it looks like, on play style and opinions on play style.

And a lynch is never a waste. Info comes from the train, at least. We only have your word that your inno, after all, remember? Like I said, I don't think your FM, just a little confused, but I can see that as yer the centre of attention, well if yer wrong, you ain't gonna accomplish much except a distraction from the real killers.

Although I guess ya are right, it ain't fair of me to ride over your case.

I'll remove my vote for now.

Remove vote

flip-flop.

[Mockra]

part 2

 Liosan, on Dec 3 2008, 11:51 PM, said:

OK - lynch me!

Remove Vote
Vote Liosan

Because I will laugh SO FUCKING HARD YOU WILL HEAR AND FEEL IT FROM ACROSS THE WORLD.

Now, seriously, I did not "blow up" before. I vote for you. During a re-read.

THIS is why people don't talk - you post, you get slammed for whatever you write. If you defend, it's over-reacting, if you don't, it's ignoring the case. Sure, this is part of mafia - and I love it - but really now. You think you've found scum on day one, do you? Vote me then. I dare ya!

You realise this is the worst thing you could possibly do on day 1 when no one needs any excuse to lynch someone, they just need a train. It must be something wrong in the alt's water, it really must.

 Gamelon, on Dec 4 2008, 01:57 AM, said:

To be darned tooting honest with you, I'm tempted to lynch em both at this point. Liosan for being like a rattler being poked with a stick, and Kessobahn for just being so damned sure.

But I'd eat my stetson if they turned out to be scum.

Just so you don't think i am picking on you, i agree whole heartedly.

 Kessobahn, on Dec 4 2008, 02:26 AM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Dec 3 2008, 09:23 PM, said:

 Ruse, on Dec 3 2008, 07:22 PM, said:

Well, someone managed a drunken post, it seems, but it was in Danish (or Swedish? But it looks more Danish to me) so we don't get the benefits from it... sad.gif

How did s toykqw know that lkosiosan nand I are kilerss? god . youmr'e a genious!!

Thats fucked up.

Edited to bold.

Where did that come from?

 Gamelon, on Dec 4 2008, 02:34 AM, said:

Take a look at that there Ruse post he quotes.

Can you explain this sorry, the ruse post seems quite harmless?

 Gamelon, on Dec 4 2008, 02:46 AM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Dec 4 2008, 02:43 AM, said:

sfgAJHFDKGLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Ain't he just passed out on the keyboard, right there.

Both Kessobahn and Liosan seem, in my honest opinion, to most likely be confused innocents.
But if we need a lynch, I ain't shying away from providing y'all with the required hammer, on either of them.

you ignored that killer reveal very quickly and point liosan as innocent yet again.

 Gamelon, on Dec 4 2008, 02:58 AM, said:

 Rashan, on Dec 4 2008, 02:51 AM, said:

 Gamelon, on Dec 4 2008, 03:46 AM, said:

Both Kessobahn and Liosan seem, in my honest opinion, to most likely be confused innocents.
But if we need a lynch, I ain't shying away from providing y'all with the required hammer, on either of them.

WTF? What kind of stupid reasoning is that? I smell scum!

Either you think they might be scum, and then you vote for them, or you don't think they're scum, and don't vote for them. You don't vote for someone you think is likely inno! WTF!
And you want to hammer them?

And what do you mean if we need a lynch?

Well, it's simple. I ain't voting for either of them right at this moment. However, if it looks like we need to get rid of one of them simply cus there ain't no other option, I ain't averse to it. There's the possibility that I'm wrong about them being inno, firstly. The big possibility.
And secondly, ya get info from a lynch. Whether its from the train or from the CF. I'm prepared to do my bit, and I'd hope y'all would hammer me if it came down to it. If they get to a point where it's eight votes on one of em, they're gonna get lynched by someone. I'd rather take part in the train and actively play instead of sitting down at the dang sidelines. But until then, unless I see more unusual behaviour of either of them, I ain't voting. Not just yet, no how.

I agree with the principle of lynching to see a cf, but i do not agree with it when you state you think they are innocent. you have already flip-flopped over kessobahn a few times, and yet now you are saying he is innocent again?

[Mockra]

part 3

 Gamelon, on Dec 4 2008, 03:15 AM, said:

 Rashan, on Dec 4 2008, 03:13 AM, said:

 Gamelon, on Dec 4 2008, 03:53 AM, said:

I agree with ya. No one is that ornery right from the start. He's playing at something, and I don't know what, but like I said, I'll eat my Stetson if he turns out to be scum.

Oh, I found another contradiction on your posts.

You agree that Kesso is over playing, but you'll eat your Stetson if he turns out to be scum? WTF?!

To me it seems like you do know what Kesso is playing at, but you want us to back off for some reason.

Symp much?

Possible he's role playing. Possible he's just a symp. I don't think he's an actual killer.

Dibs did this all the time int he last game, you associate players knowing when one will turn up with a certain cf it clears the other. the only players to know that are symps and killers.

 Gamelon, on Dec 4 2008, 03:25 AM, said:

 Ruse, on Dec 4 2008, 03:18 AM, said:

 Gamelon, on Dec 4 2008, 03:12 AM, said:

Most of the time we tend to forget bout trains unless they lead to a lynch. But they usually do, let's face it. And then if there was a train beforehand, its more or less buried under the rush of people analysing the lynching train.

Oh, I'm not disputing that people forget about the non-lynch trains, but rather that they shouldn't. Agreeing to put the hammer on even though you're not convinced of someone's evilness seems a bit unnecessary, that's all.


EDITTED for clarity.

I just ain't shy bout lynching someone if it needs to be done. I'd hope that if there's a case on me and I'm the centre of attention too, you'd hammer me. Cus otherwise it'll just drag on and rear its darn ugly head another day, or something equally as bad for us. It's Mafia, people. No need to be sentimental. We're not playing to survive, I don't walk into every game expecting to survive, but I do intend to win.

Trains are never forgotten, they are brought up all through a game. If a train fails in favour of another it gets examined to see where the turning point was, especially if a cf comes back innocent. You are back to Mr Agreeable here, stating how you would take one for the team because you are innocent and its a team game.

 Gamelon, on Dec 4 2008, 04:01 AM, said:

 Ruse, on Dec 4 2008, 03:55 AM, said:

 Gamelon, on Dec 4 2008, 03:25 AM, said:

 Ruse, on Dec 4 2008, 03:18 AM, said:

 Gamelon, on Dec 4 2008, 03:12 AM, said:

Most of the time we tend to forget bout trains unless they lead to a lynch. But they usually do, let's face it. And then if there was a train beforehand, its more or less buried under the rush of people analysing the lynching train.

Oh, I'm not disputing that people forget about the non-lynch trains, but rather that they shouldn't. Agreeing to put the hammer on even though you're not convinced of someone's evilness seems a bit unnecessary, that's all.


EDITTED for clarity.

I just ain't shy bout lynching someone if it needs to be done. I'd hope that if there's a case on me and I'm the centre of attention too, you'd hammer me. Cus otherwise it'll just drag on and rear its darn ugly head another day, or something equally as bad for us. It's Mafia, people. No need to be sentimental. We're not playing to survive, I don't walk into every game expecting to survive, but I do intend to win.

I don't think there's any sentimentality involved, it's plain numbers. While you don't get a CF if there's no lynch, if you think the guy in question is probably inno then lynching him is in fact a great help to the killers - one less inno means they're one step closer to achieving victory. Depends on how you balance the two, I guess, and how likely you think the player in question is to be inno.

Goes without saying. If there ain't no case on someone or if I don't agree with it, I won't vote, but I can see the reasons for voting both Kesobahn and Liosan. Sorry to y'all for not being clear. Still, though, I think it's better to get a lynch than go without, if there are people in question.
And as for the fact that if it involves sheer numbers/sentimentality, well, if a lynch has reached nine votes, it is probably going to happen one way or another. Its numbers, as you say, there are another eight people who might add the hammer vote. I just think its better to be doing.

Edit: that is, if you see the point of the case against them.

I have seen lynches fail even getting right to the wire. You are setting up groundwork here, though that isnt necessarily scummy it will be seen to be depending on what you use it for. If you are questioned for hammering a player you will refer back to this as evidence that you are staying with a conviction to a certain style of play. I do not trust this, if you were an inno you wouldnt feel the need to prepare justifications in so many different areas of your gamelplay.

vote liosan

My reasoning is simple, any player who votes for himself to begin a train is scummy. If you are a jester the game will end and someone will set up another one, but i doubt it.

hoodspath when supposedly drunk claimed you were both killers.

Gamelon has been symping you.

I am afraid i wont be back on before end of day, and so am placing my vote now, if i have time i will answer what queries any one has with my case. My suspects are liosan, hp and the symp is gamelon. I believe we have four evils in play and possibly some wildcards too so if anyone can link another player to these three i would be interested to see any evidence and will comment on that also.

[Omtose]

 Kessobahn, on Dec 4 2008, 07:09 AM, said:

Back. How bout we leave off the low poster bit, for now. And look at the rest of the game. What does it really matter, some agree, some don't, some think I suck, well, most think I suck, but someone asked for a case and some passion. Isn't that what i've done? And if you think Lio is inno, don't vote him, simple. And if you think someone a better lynch, get them, I'll switch, I have no quams about voting for his partners. So stop crashing my case, and start making your own. Whats the big deal?

who exactly are you talking to?

[D'riss]

 Mockra, on Dec 4 2008, 07:16 AM, said:

vote liosan

OK, am I the only one who didn't see that one coming after reading attentively the three giga-posts?

[Omtose]

 D'riss, on Dec 4 2008, 07:17 AM, said:

 Mockra, on Dec 4 2008, 07:16 AM, said:

vote liosan

OK, am I the only one who didn't see that one coming after reading attentively the three giga-posts?

Yea I was thinking Gamelon was gonna get a big fat vote right there, and then BAM...liosan

[D'riss]

OK, I hope people will show up and finish the Liosan lynch.

If anything, see it this way: HP admitted to be his killer partner. Two scenarios:

1) HP was drunk and he pulled an Anomander
2) HP was sober and acted for our entertainment.

I fail to see the point of 2) because lying like that will get him lynched tomorrow, so I hope it's 1). But worst case, Liosan is inno and we lynch HP next, and we're down one scum

If he's inno and lied to us about being killer paired to Liosan he deserves some mob justice after the game.

[D'riss]

 Omtose, on Dec 4 2008, 02:23 PM, said:

 D'riss, on Dec 4 2008, 07:17 AM, said:

 Mockra, on Dec 4 2008, 07:16 AM, said:

vote liosan

OK, am I the only one who didn't see that one coming after reading attentively the three giga-posts?

Yea I was thinking Gamelon was gonna get a big fat vote right there, and then BAM...liosan

I perfectly agree with his vote on Liosan and the reason he put to justify it after, I'm just amazed by the gigantic amount of energy he put to build a "symp" case before being sure about Liosan.

[Hood's Path]

yeah, I dunno how much Ill contribute until tonight.. and to be honest I wont dig through for the post, but Liosan's vote for himself post proves him evil in my eyes, and I am surprised not more people have gone for it.

Liosan