[Kessobahn]

Gamelon, on Dec 3 2008, 06:34 PM, said:

Notice the big writing, peoples?
Its Day One. 17 Hours in, and Kessobahn here thinks he has found us some scum.
I am sceptical of yer incredible daytime perceptive finder abilities.

Now whos being the difficult one.

Yup, your right, I have guessed at a killer day 1. Thats why we do this right, to guess who's scum. And if you'll read below that you'll see where I said you voted me consistently because you dont like my playstyle. Its as good a reason as any other. But what I do find interesting is this. Ad forgive me if its a bit of strawmanning. You would vote off a inno, who is obnoxious and not look for a killer. Thats fucked up. Ignre the obnoxious bastard, but why waste the lynch, especially since he stopped spamming and is trying to contribute. Even if it is to the sound of cat calls, and screams of STFU. Really, I made a case and you bash it to bits because it is early? WTF. Thats not right. If no one else thinks that stupid, I will give up my card until I learn how to play.

Edit added any to any other.

This post has been edited by Kessobahn: 03 December 2008 - 11:41 PM

[Gamelon]

Kessobahn, on Dec 3 2008, 11:40 PM, said:

Gamelon, on Dec 3 2008, 06:34 PM, said:

Notice the big writing, peoples?
Its Day One. 17 Hours in, and Kessobahn here thinks he has found us some scum.
I am sceptical of yer incredible daytime perceptive finder abilities.

Now whos being the difficult one.

Yup, your right, I have guessed at a killer day 1. Thats why we do this right, to guess who's scum. And if you'll read below that you'll see where I said you voted me consistently because you dont like my playstyle. Its as good a reason as any other. But what I do find interesting is this. Ad forgive me if its a bit of strawmanning. You would vote off a inno, who is obnoxious and not look for a killer. Thats fucked up. Ignre the obnoxious bastard, but why waste the lynch, especially since he stopped spamming and is trying to contribute. Even if it is to the sound of cat calls, and screams of STFU. Really, I made a case and you bash it to bits because it is early? WTF. Thats not right. If no one else thinks that stupid, I will give up my card until I learn how to play.

Edit added any to any other.

Well, I'm being critical because your case is just a little unreliable and based, it looks like, on play style and opinions on play style.

And a lynch is never a waste. Info comes from the train, at least. We only have your word that your inno, after all, remember? Like I said, I don't think your FM, just a little confused, but I can see that as yer the centre of attention, well if yer wrong, you ain't gonna accomplish much except a distraction from the real killers.

Although I guess ya are right, it ain't fair of me to ride over your case.

I'll remove my vote for now.

Remove vote

[Liosan]

OK - lynch me!

Remove Vote
Vote Liosan

Because I will laugh SO FUCKING HARD YOU WILL HEAR AND FEEL IT FROM ACROSS THE WORLD.

Now, seriously, I did not "blow up" before. I vote for you. During a re-read.

THIS is why people don't talk - you post, you get slammed for whatever you write. If you defend, it's over-reacting, if you don't, it's ignoring the case. Sure, this is part of mafia - and I love it - but really now. You think you've found scum on day one, do you? Vote me then. I dare ya!

[Kessobahn]

Liosan, on Dec 3 2008, 06:51 PM, said:

OK - lynch me!

Remove Vote
Vote Liosan

Because I will laugh SO FUCKING HARD YOU WILL HEAR AND FEEL IT FROM ACROSS THE WORLD.

Now, seriously, I did not "blow up" before. I vote for you. During a re-read.

THIS is why people don't talk - you post, you get slammed for whatever you write. If you defend, it's over-reacting, if you don't, it's ignoring the case. Sure, this is part of mafia - and I love it - but really now. You think you've found scum on day one, do you? Vote me then. I dare ya!

Would you like quotes to help my explanation? here. Fuck its gonna be long, sorry.

Liosan, on Dec 3 2008, 02:28 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Dec 3 2008, 05:08 PM, said:

Omtose, on Dec 3 2008, 11:02 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on Dec 3 2008, 10:56 AM, said:

Ok, so we've established that no one has time right now to post. And since I do have time and have no one interesting(Korlat isn't interesting) enough to talk to I spam. So, what now? Game mechanics? Not a merc game, right? or was it not a cult game, might be a merc game, cant remember. But I assume ghosts(scum) vs. Ghost busters(no idea , maybe mercs?) with innos(town) in between. Anyone got any ideas?

looks like someone is trying to boost there post count

Better than pulling a Silencer and posting once a day and getting the win for team evil. And that was actually what i consider a contribution post. Not a post padding post.

Hey! I object to that!

Omtose, on Dec 3 2008, 05:15 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Dec 3 2008, 11:08 AM, said:

Omtose, on Dec 3 2008, 11:02 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on Dec 3 2008, 10:56 AM, said:

Ok, so we've established that no one has time right now to post. And since I do have time and have no one interesting(Korlat isn't interesting) enough to talk to I spam. So, what now? Game mechanics? Not a merc game, right? or was it not a cult game, might be a merc game, cant remember. But I assume ghosts(scum) vs. Ghost busters(no idea , maybe mercs?) with innos(town) in between. Anyone got any ideas?

looks like someone is trying to boost there post count

Better than pulling a Silencer and posting once a day and getting the win for team evil. And that was actually what i consider a contribution post. Not a post padding post.

So you are saying that posting about strippers and dirty stripper poles is better than only posting when you have something helpful about the game to say?

You, sir, win one internet!

Kessobahn, on Dec 3 2008, 05:28 PM, said:

After the last game I mus admit, I am tired of non posters skating to day 5 while those of us that actually play the game and enjoy it get picked off. Not advocating lynching lowest posters(yet), but if you cant at least type a few sentences(yes even if they mean nothing (see also Ments non-agressive playstyle last game)) then why sign up. Its not whoever survives to the end, its find the scum and kill them. Kill them and win. Really, it is a disease that self preservation is more important than team victory, thats wrong and something that team evil feeds and feeds off of. If we are going to find scummy behavior, we need info, even 100 posts with nothing in them gives us some info. but hiding and hoping to make it to the final 5 or 6 players, even if you lose gives us nothing.

~End mini rant.

Self-preservation is not good on inno team. It is PURE UNADULTERATED WIN on the evil team. As you all found out last game, no?

:biggrin:

But, for the moment, Kesso must get my vote.

Remove Vote
Vote Kessobahn

NO FUCKING EXPLANATION.(I believe that has been addressed) and when I say you voted me because I was vocal. here.

Kessobahn, on Dec 3 2008, 02:35 PM, said:

Oh look, Liosans on and hes voting the vocal guy, for no apparent reason, you my frend may be scum.

Liosan, on Dec 3 2008, 02:39 PM, said:

Oh, really, Kesso? Out of my post, you decided that I'd voted you for being fucking VOCAL? Dude, I'm voting for you for your attitude, and the shit you're giving people for their play-style.

OK, sure, you've since clarified that that was not the area you were picking on. Fine. I was reading up and made my vote as I went!

My first vote. Day one. Spam-day. What do you care if it's random, meaningless? Omtose's own vote was for someone using an account in the previous game that was a symp FFS!

Here you splained why you voted, but acted like I was a fool for saying you voted "FOR THE VOCAL GUY!" Not "Because I was vocal!" And I say FOR NO APPARENT REASON!. Yet you get defensive. And I never said anything about your random Omtose vote, I only addressed YOUR VOTE ON ME!!!

I am saying that yes, your response was worthless and you might be scum. BUT I WON"T VOTE FOR YOU BECAUSE ITS WEAK! But its there for all to see.

This post has been edited by Kessobahn: 04 December 2008 - 12:11 AM

[Kaschan]

Liosan, on Dec 3 2008, 04:51 PM, said:

OK - lynch me!

Remove Vote
Vote Liosan

Because I will laugh SO FUCKING HARD YOU WILL HEAR AND FEEL IT FROM ACROSS THE WORLD.

Uh, fine.

Vote Liosan

Not like I've seen a better case. Kesso is probably not scum - he's just an agitator, trying to stir everyone up into activity. I sympathize, but can't force myself to change my posting style enough to accomplish what he's trying to do; I'll leave the heavy lifting to him. Gamelon's fake Texas-drawl makes me want to lynch him, but only because of my automatic negative reaction to all things Texan.

No-one else has done shit but spam or aol.

Besides, I love the idea of someone starting a train on themselves - we've had people drop the hammer on themselves before (some game last winter, don't remember which), but never start a train on themselves, I don't think. That would be almost as cool as someone being roled as the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man and having ten Day Kills to use all at once.


(Disclaimer: I am not the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man)

[Kessobahn]

Here you splained why you voted, but acted like I was a fool for saying you voted "FOR THE VOCAL GUY!" Not "Because I was vocal!" And I say FOR NO APPARENT REASON!. Yet you get defensive. And I never said anything about your random Omtose vote, I only addressed YOUR VOTE ON ME!!!

This is important. I want everyone who skims long ass posts to read this part, if nothing else. I know long boring posts suck, but this poit I feel is why Lio might be scum.

[Liosan]

Kesso, you didn't say that it's weak - you said, and I paraphrase: "I bet my mafia card that Lio is scum" - that's not a weak case, that's a 99% certain case!

And I also want to know how, exactly, I got "defensive"? Can you quote and show the exact phrase that was defensive? And explain why it was, please?

[Kessobahn]

Liosan, on Dec 3 2008, 02:39 PM, said:

Oh, really, Kesso? Out of my post, you decided that I'd voted you for being fucking VOCAL? Dude, I'm voting for you for your attitude, and the shit you're giving people for their play-style.

OK, sure, you've since clarified that that was not the area you were picking on. Fine. I was reading up and made my vote as I went!

My first vote. Day one. Spam-day. What do you care if it's random, meaningless? Omtose's own vote was for someone using an account in the previous game that was a symp FFS!

First bold. I never said you voted me for being vocal, you jumped to that conclusion on your own.
Second bold. I never mentioned your first vote, I mentioned your vote on me. Again you jumped to the conclusion I was picking on you for your Omtose vote. The only time that was mentioned was in the , why did he vote then leave with no explanation. Also, punctuation means alot, I type caps to emphasize words. Most eveyone does, you include an exclamation point(which usually means loud or angry) and A capitolized FFS For Fucks Sake. Jumping to conclusions and getting excited over a question(why did you vote me, although it was a startement, you voted me for no reason) is a form of defense, you were paranoid and thought I was attacking you.

Edit, when I say weak, I mean not strong enough to get a lynch on. My vote would be seen as trying to take heat off of myself. I don't want to lose your scummy lynch, because people think I am tryin to get them off my train. So I make points and post. They will put them together and if the train starts, you have 2 by the way, I will hop on and hope I don't have to give up my card.

This post has been edited by Kessobahn: 04 December 2008 - 12:20 AM

[Kessobahn]

Hello?

[Liosan]

So, you don't really want to lynch scum? Weird...

Kessobahn, on Dec 3 2008, 08:35 PM, said:

Oh look, Liosans on and hes voting the vocal guy, for no apparent reason, you my frend may be scum.

^This, to me, reads: "He's voting for me for being vocal". Perhaps I'm wrong, but that's how I read it at the time.

Kessobahn, on Dec 3 2008, 08:33 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on Dec 3 2008, 02:04 PM, said:

End of story, end of rant.

First, glad you responded and this is a debate, no hard feelings cool? cool. My response. Bullshit. I am not attacking low posters(said that 3 times now). I am attacking those who post this shit

"sorry, posting to avoid modkill, maybe more tomorrow"(RL issues are good but if it continues for longet than day 2 its not helpful at all to your team if you are inno)
or
"nothing happening, back later" (again if you repeatedly do this you are not helping)
or

Liosan, on Dec 3 2008, 03:16 AM, said:

Vote Omtose for voting an account for a previous game. ^^

which is Liosans only post and this was 6 hours ago.

So no, I am not against low posters, I am against people who refuse to contribute out of a self preservation mode, that only helps the fuking killers.

And here you specifically mention that my Omtose vote was bad. For some reason, probably because it's a typical day one spam vote.

Now, I'm not sure about the rest of you, but I was asking him why he picked my Omtose vote, and not Omtose's own vote for Silanah for no reason other than the history of that alt.

[Kessobahn]

Liosan, on Dec 3 2008, 07:32 PM, said:

So, you don't really want to lynch scum? Weird...



^This, to me, reads: "He's voting for me for being vocal". Perhaps I'm wrong, but that's how I read it at the time.


And here you specifically mention that my Omtose vote was bad. For some reason, probably because it's a typical day one spam vote.

Now, I'm not sure about the rest of you, but I was asking him why he picked my Omtose vote, and not Omtose's own vote for Silanah for no reason other than the history of that alt.

Did you even read that?
First bold I said I don't want to risk giving ou a vote and drawing the attention away from the point, where did I say I didn't want to lynch scum?
Second bold I say voting vocal for NO REASON. sure you messed up a bit there, I might give you that
Third Bold I said that you voted Omtose and havent been back..I was talking about people who don't post, nothing on the vote, I was talking about the post then leave!
Final Bold. WTF? Your Omtose vote was YOUR ONLY POST up until that point! The Vote is irrelevant!

Edited because you read all that shit in the previous post.

This post has been edited by Kessobahn: 04 December 2008 - 12:40 AM

[Silanah]

I am back. A few pages to go through I'll see what I missed.

[Kessobahn]

Kessobahn, on Dec 3 2008, 08:33 PM, said:

Liosan, on Dec 3 2008, 03:16 AM, said:

First, glad you responded and this is a debate, no hard feelings cool? cool. My response. Bullshit. I am not attacking low posters(said that 3 times now). I am attacking those who post this shit

"sorry, posting to avoid modkill, maybe more tomorrow"(RL issues are good but if it continues for longet than day 2 its not helpful at all to your team if you are inno)
or
"nothing happening, back later" (again if you repeatedly do this you are not helping)
or

Liosan, on Dec 3 2008, 03:16 AM, said:

Vote Omtose for voting an account for a previous game. ^^

which is Liosans only post and this was 6 hours ago.

And here you specifically mention that my Omtose vote was bad.

Now, I'm not sure about the rest of you, but I was asking him why he picked my Omtose vote, and not Omtose's own vote for Silanah for no reason other than the history of that alt.

This is fucking scum material. Read the fucking BOLD! I said, people who post nothing then leave. Like Liosans vote and NOTHING FOR 6 HOURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's stumbling trying to point out flaws, there isn't any, he was paranoid and paniced. If you read nothing else read this post.

[Kessobahn]

Sorry need to calm down, to Sil, sorry I got a bit excited.

[Liosan]

A person can't fucking go to sleep for the night? Are you that fucking obsessed with mafia that you get no sleep? The nex time you post something and leave, even right at the beginning of day one, you're obviously scum, amirite?

[Kessobahn]

Liosan, on Dec 3 2008, 08:06 PM, said:

A person can't fucking go to sleep for the night? Are you that fucking obsessed with mafia that you get no sleep? The nex time you post something and leave, even right at the beginning of day one, you're obviously scum, amirite?

But You got DEFENSIVE! ANd counter attacked with nothing! Fuck it, lets see what Sil with fresh eyes has to say.

[Silanah]

Well there's quite a bit out there now, and it looks like i've stepped into a slapfest.

Looking at it, Liosan has reacted a little badly to being pointed out being Scum I mean Kesso hadn't even voted for him and he's suddenly voting himself? Come on Liosan what the hell is that about.

Seriously though, I think the Liosan case is extremely weak, but he's taken being pointed out way too seriously. First time I've seen an own vote like that for it. For Day 1, I think its going to be taken badly.

The rest seems to be just a bitch fight really after that initial Liosan reaction. Unfortunately it often happens when two innos go for each other.

[Kessobahn]

OH well

Vote Liosan

For being to defensive, for taking my post out of context and trying to put words in my mouth, for daring me to vote him, to prove I deserve my card, and finally to prove the point that talking draws out scum.

[Liosan]

Yes, Silanah. Being called Scum on day one. Not even, "well we need to lynch", or "he is our best bet", but "I bet my mafia card he is sucm" - absolute certainty. Is that not weird?

[Kessobahn]

Liosan, on Dec 3 2008, 08:25 PM, said:

Yes, Silanah. Being called Scum on day one. Not even, "well we need to lynch", or "he is our best bet", but "I bet my mafia card he is sucm" - absolute certainty. Is that not weird?

Its called gut. instinct. hell call it a wild guess, but your play is scum like and there for its "better than our best bet" and too early in the day to say "well we need a lynch." Yup, I am sure, you are scum.