[Emurlahn]

Mockra, on Dec 11 2008, 04:41 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on Dec 11 2008, 03:26 PM, said:

Mockra, on Dec 11 2008, 04:06 PM, said:

because things change - because emur made a few glaring errors and tried to ci the other killer suspect even though he startign saying he never gets inno result yet there its written.

Quote the fucking post where I say this.
All I said was that I may see GB as scum, as that seems in character for a Peck role.
I like how hard you are pushing, as you are now strawmanning, twisting things I did say and putting things I did not say in my mouth. You're starting to make slips out of eagerness, friend, and if cooler heads prevail, people will see what you are doing. I only hope they cool down in time to save the game.

i did quoute it you said you get not involved in disturbances and causign disturbances. you guessed you couldnt see ghosts (wtf?) yet when you revealed your finds today korlat was suddenly inno. which is mighty different to causing disturbances or not causing disturbances and might i say if you are telling the truth points to korlat being an evil f**ker

look at him hes strawmanning me, and i am burning!!! ahhhhhhh!!!! the leprecaun!! the leprecaun!!!

I already gave explanations for the different descriptions, them being either different mods who sent me messages, or there being three different categories because there are 3 different types of players... GB, ghosts, normal humans.

Don't you think I'm fucking riddled by it as well? I already said I was when I revealed and that I didn't fully understand the implications of my role, and I had the three results then. When I announced I could reveal, I said I might be making things more complex, seems I did, and the reason for it was three different wordings + the possibility of being a GB spotter only.

And I never pleaded inno for Korlat, I just said I got a inno result... which means nothing if I am insane.
Examine my reply to his fake reveal, and see how I treat it. I then already knew my find on him gave him an inno alignment. I already knew his alignment when he pressured me before on it. I already knew his alignment when I pressed my weak day 3 case on him as being the Keymaster looking for possession. I never trusted him or followed him around, either.

[Kessobahn]

Look, I have to go for a couple hours but I leave you with this. Mockra, you think Emur is scum. Emur you think Mockra is scum. Do neither of you think Rash is scum? How about you both switch to Rash, and let D'riss Korlat and Fener decide if they agree and if so, we lynch Rash today, if the game continues we look at each of oyu tomorrow. No sense in bringing it to a 3 to 3 tie, and not getting a lynch.

[Rashan]

Mockra, on Dec 11 2008, 04:44 PM, said:

yeah rashan - cause we always lynch people the next day if we fail to the day before, always. Its in the rules somewhere............... or maybe we use our brains and try to find the killers everyday based on new evidnece kess? maybe? no?

Man, it's so hard not to say something nasty here. But it's not good to insult the same player twice. But man, I could really smash that one. (<--I am sure you can imagine something up here Kesso, so I don't really have to say it)

[Rashan]

Mockra, on Dec 11 2008, 04:47 PM, said:

my bet is emur is the key licker, so even if we lynch him the game goes on. i will compromise with you kess, if you help me lynch emur today, i will guard rashan tonight. Scouts honour big man.

I thought you already did, wasn't that implied somewhere...or maybe I just misread?

[Mockra]

personally kess - its a toss up between rash and korlat, i think fifty fifty with an inkling to korlat after emur said he was inno.

but emur 95%$ sure hes lying. Now if someone comes on and goes, aye i was a guard i blocked mockra l;ast two nights, then i will think, shit, maybe hes not talking crap. but if no one does, i aint changing. the cae on rashan is he didnt hammer kas soon enough, the case on emur is he is lying through his teeth. I choose lies over hesitation any day of the week myself.

[Mockra]

Rashan, on Dec 11 2008, 03:50 PM, said:

Mockra, on Dec 11 2008, 04:44 PM, said:

yeah rashan - cause we always lynch people the next day if we fail to the day before, always. Its in the rules somewhere............... or maybe we use our brains and try to find the killers everyday based on new evidnece kess? maybe? no?

Man, it's so hard not to say something nasty here. But it's not good to insult the same player twice. But man, I could really smash that one. (<--I am sure you can imagine something up here Kesso, so I don't really have to say it)

Rashan, on Dec 11 2008, 03:52 PM, said:

Mockra, on Dec 11 2008, 04:47 PM, said:

my bet is emur is the key licker, so even if we lynch him the game goes on. i will compromise with you kess, if you help me lynch emur today, i will guard rashan tonight. Scouts honour big man.

I thought you already did, wasn't that implied somewhere...or maybe I just misread?

give it your best shot son.

no i said i was going to guard you so the killer would withhold and try and frame you then i was going to reveal, but they killed anyway so it didnt work as i planned

[Rashan]

Well, there's a possibility there's another guard out there, right? Thanks for trying though.

[Emurlahn]

Kessobahn, on Dec 11 2008, 04:45 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on Dec 11 2008, 10:41 AM, said:

Good point, Rashan.

Vote Mockra.

This is a cop out, just so you know. We lynch Rash first, same as yesterday, we get the CF and then decide which of you (Mockra or Emur) is scum, because if Rash is the symp, and is willing to lynch either of you, you both may be inno, with Driss, Korlat, or Tennes as scum.

And if Rashan is inno and there's a keymaster elsewhere, we lose if Mockra is evil.
I want Mockra dead 'cause he is evil if he blocked me, and even if not, he is at the least the equalizer for team evil (because, if he is inno now, but blocks an inno tonight, he'll give victory to team evil), because I received no result on Tennes and suspect I was guarded, and with him gone, I can utilize my ability.

So, a couple of good reasons.

[Mockra]

Emurlahn, on Dec 11 2008, 03:56 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Dec 11 2008, 04:45 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on Dec 11 2008, 10:41 AM, said:

Good point, Rashan.

Vote Mockra.

This is a cop out, just so you know. We lynch Rash first, same as yesterday, we get the CF and then decide which of you (Mockra or Emur) is scum, because if Rash is the symp, and is willing to lynch either of you, you both may be inno, with Driss, Korlat, or Tennes as scum.

And if Rashan is inno and there's a keymaster elsewhere, we lose if Mockra is evil.
I want Mockra dead 'cause he is evil if he blocked me, and even if not, he is at the least the equalizer for team evil (because, if he is inno now, but blocks an inno tonight, he'll give victory to team evil), because I received no result on Tennes and suspect I was guarded, and with him gone, I can utilize my ability.

So, a couple of good reasons.

you already claimed my block didnt work, there you go again with blatant foolishness. you got your result the night i said i blocked you, SUPPOSEDLY, yet didnt when i blocked korlat. ahahaha what am i ona time delay, i know i am dead but i doubt i have to plan that far in advance.

tell me lies tell me sweet little lies.... sorry just singing some fleetwood.

[Emurlahn]

Mockra, on Dec 11 2008, 04:59 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on Dec 11 2008, 03:56 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Dec 11 2008, 04:45 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on Dec 11 2008, 10:41 AM, said:

Good point, Rashan.

Vote Mockra.

This is a cop out, just so you know. We lynch Rash first, same as yesterday, we get the CF and then decide which of you (Mockra or Emur) is scum, because if Rash is the symp, and is willing to lynch either of you, you both may be inno, with Driss, Korlat, or Tennes as scum.

And if Rashan is inno and there's a keymaster elsewhere, we lose if Mockra is evil.
I want Mockra dead 'cause he is evil if he blocked me, and even if not, he is at the least the equalizer for team evil (because, if he is inno now, but blocks an inno tonight, he'll give victory to team evil), because I received no result on Tennes and suspect I was guarded, and with him gone, I can utilize my ability.

So, a couple of good reasons.

you already claimed my block didnt work, there you go again with blatant foolishness. you got your result the night i said i blocked you, SUPPOSEDLY, yet didnt when i blocked korlat. ahahaha what am i ona time delay, i know i am dead but i doubt i have to plan that far in advance.

tell me lies tell me sweet little lies.... sorry just singing some fleetwood.

Didn't claim it did, offered it as a possibility, but it seems you're not into distinctions. When you were a kid on kindergarten, did they only have black markers and white paper to keep you occupied with, Mockra, and they forgot about the pretty colours?

[Mockra]

you said "did mockra block me yesterday", yet you claimed a result in your reveal.

therefore you are talking shit.

therefore you are scum.

[Emurlahn]

@ Mockra: see how you're not into planning in advance, do you disagree with me that if I'm inno, the game could be over after the night?
Is that a sufficient enough time for you to plan, or do you only decide what to do when it's night?

And then, my working day ended and my spare time began. Out for tonight.
Fuck, I made a couple of good points on page 43, but you're not into content anymore, not even posting quotes, and its hard to fight a "ahahaahahahaha, scum" message, so I won't try. Just read through what I posted on page 43 & 44 and tell me we're not running a very high risk of losing if I'm inno and lynched.

Mockra, if you're evil, applause. If you're inno: damn you, you bastard, you're losing us the game.

And that's Emur out for now.

[Mockra]

I am afraid such tactics as reason and threats of losing don't work against someone like me.

[Fener]

D'riss, on Dec 11 2008, 02:18 AM, said:

...

A dose of Fener would be welcome about now

Here catching up... and from what I have read so far a whole lot of Bullshit is being thrwon around... like 60 posts to go... if anyone is still on

[D'riss]

I'm back.

Well, Kesso the RI prefers to lynch Rashan. I can relate with that. As for lynch right or lose, it seems the scum team has more firepower than expected (see day vig) so the calculations might be off. Let's assume we can't "use a lynch to decide the next lynch" if we can.

It's a tough call, I'll make a quick summary of what I remember.

Emur, which is my current vote (although I'm not pushing a speed-lynch, of course), is because of his reveal. What he says does not fit, specially in his attitude towards me and his "result" on Korlat (see above, I can re-quote if asked). Like I said, at this point the scum better come up with a fake-reveal plan, and that sounds like one. The fact it was brought forward prematurely sounds like he posted it as soon as he came up with it, not when he had to.

Rashan, well, it's his reluctance to vote Kaschan. But at the end, he did hammer him, whereas Emur tried to stop it too, but disappeared from view until after the hammer. Also, Rashan had a spastic lynchMockralynchMockra moment as soon as he Slimer revealed, even though according to the reveal it sounded like Slimer had more chances of becoming evil than good. Doesn't sound like a scummy reflex.

That's why I chose to vote Emur today, but I understand Kesso's point of view. Now that Fener is there I'm curious to hear from him.

This post has been edited by D'riss: 11 December 2008 - 05:02 PM

[D'riss]

And, ironically, about Mockra:

If he can flip-flop between inno and scum depending on his last guard, then I believe he is currently scum since he last guarded Korlat. However, since he's flip-flopping, I doubt he would be told the name of the killers, so I currently believe he's right, and playing against his own current team

Not my problem, though.

[Tennes]

Hia everybody!

Not sure who I think its best to go for. Again either mockra or emur is lying. Mockra says he didnt guard emur, emur said he got no result. However, im not even sure the Peck wouldnt be in. However, anyone seen the mayor lately? Didnt think so. People with unconfirmed roles:

D'riss-Claiming nothing, although I think he said RI earlier
Tennes-Not gonna tell you
Korlat-Janine. Who cant do ANYTHING. Anyone else find this a little unbelieveable. Thats just, RI, with a name. Doesnt even know the GBs.
Emur-Claiming Peck
Mockra-Claiming Slimer
Rashan-Claiming nothing, as far as I remember.

Now, the two I find suspicious here, are Peck, and Janine.
Janine, cant do anything, no abilities, why bother revealing?
Peck-His mechanics/story seem a bit messed up, as if he's unsure, although I think hes mentioned in opening post.

I would be willing to vote Rashan, Korlat, emur, or mockra.

Emur and mockra both seem to have lied, or at least strike me as shifty. One of them is CERTAINLY not honest.

However:

Korlats reveal strikes me as utter bullshit. A role that does nothing? Yeah, mate, thats called roleless. Oh, and you're innocent too? Whys it even a role then.

Rashan, I still feel, is fairly scummy.

I cant see D'riss as scum, although technically no concrete evidence he's not. Just how he's playing, and his pushing on Kaschan. If he is, I would be surprised, and congratulate him.

This post has been edited by Tennes: 11 December 2008 - 05:16 PM

[Tennes]

Mockra, on Dec 11 2008, 04:04 PM, said:

you said "did mockra block me yesterday", yet you claimed a result in your reveal. therefore you are talking shit. therefore you are scum.

This strikes me as a bit odd though. Its basically, you're gonna love it, strawmanning. Emurlahn, if you look, said no such thing. He said he was told nothing, "no result", thats not a result. Thus leading to his belief you blocked him.

[Tennes]

ARGH!!!
Slowness.

Mod delete please?

[D'riss]

Tennes, on Dec 11 2008, 07:14 PM, said:

Korlats reveal strikes me as utter bullshit. A role that does nothing? Yeah, mate, thats called roleless. Oh, and you're innocent too? Whys it even a role then.

I wouldn't say that (utter bulshit part), but maybe. That's my point: let's not be naive and assume the scum will reveal as such. "Hiya, I'm Zuul and I've been shafting you at night" So we should not dismiss someone becaue they reveal "inno"

The scum will have to take a chance, they can't claim roleless inno since if all we have are roled innos and roleless innos in a mass reveal, we'll certainly start with the RIs, specially those that didn't reveal a few days back.

A good fake-reveal:
1) is not counter-claimed
2) can not be proven
3) can not be disproven.

So far, Korlat and Emur fit the bill. However, Emur's inconsistencies and "admitted" choice of finds/results and his according behavior on thread, I think I'm close to break down 3).

As for 1), then you asked yourself, would Peck be in this game?

This post has been edited by D'riss: 11 December 2008 - 05:30 PM