[Tennes]

We hit Gozer! W00t!
Oh, and iirc we shouldnt be counting Stay Puft and Gozer seperately, didnt Gozer challenge the GBs to think of something or other, and then turned into Stay Puft? Is that right? Been a while since I seen the movie.

Not sure why HP died. I mean, why hit someone everyones calling RI? Unless I suppose, they know there's not many of them left, and that for majority it will come down to only a few players, and therefore want any CIs gone, because that'd make it harder for them? I mean, a couple of CIs now, isnt gonna be a massive advantage, not compared to having a couple of CIs left, when theres only 4 players total left, one sucm, etc.

You get told anything mockra?

This post has been edited by Tennes: 10 December 2008 - 01:18 PM

[Mockra]

Rashan - possible killer
Ruse - PI
D'riss - VPI
Kessobahn - CI
Korlat - possible killer
Tennes - possible killer
Fener - VPI
Mockra - evil/good Guard
Omtose - VPI
Emurlahn - not killer

i think we need to look at tennes and korlat today with rashan as a possible frame up job. I am pretty certain the killers one of those three as they are the only ones who never tried to claim ri and have no real links with the kaschan case. Emurlahn could be a symp but they arent the second killer. If there are three baddies the game is different, but if we lynch one i can guard another

[Tennes]

If Dana gave nothing, its possible Emur is Keymaster? Just on the basis that thats a similar role in the film. Unless RI does give nothing, but I think thats a bit unlikely.

[D'riss]

...

This sounds like one of the logical puzzles my computer geek friend always sends me.

I'll have to think a bit, I'll be back soon. Let's see also what the others think of that.

[Mockra]

no info for me, i guarded emur so i am opposite of them. akill went through so i doubt they are killer which means i am probably still aligned with evil

[Tennes]

You're judging killers on who didnt claim RI?
Also, driss wasnt one of those who claimed RI was he? Not one that proved it anyway. So why's he VPI? I think you've got him and ruse mixed up?
Would you trust me more if I went "by the way, im RI also, no way to prove but hey, why not". Cause thats just silly.

[Emurlahn]

Tennes, on Dec 10 2008, 02:18 PM, said:

We hit Gozer! W00t!
Oh, and iirc we shouldnt be counting Stay Puft and Gozer seperately, didnt Gozer challenge the GBs to think of something or other, and then turned into Stay Puft? Is that right? Been a while since I seen the movie.

Not sure why HP died. I mean, why hit someone everyones calling RI? Unless I suppose, they know there's not many of them left, and that for majority it will come down to only a few players, and therefore want any CIs gone, because that'd make it harder for them? I mean, a couple of CIs now, isnt gonna be a massive advantage, not compared to having a couple of CIs left, when theres only 4 players total left, one sucm, etc.

You get told anything mockra?

I think the reason HP was hit, is that killers can't afford to progress into the game with 5 CIs and the pool of potential scum being narrowed each day by a lynch and each night by a guard. Pretty rapidly only scum would be left out of that pool, unless they withhold a kill and even that is only stalling. Moreso, in a pace of 2 death per day/night cycle (tomorrow, to be exact) and the 5 RIs would have been able to dominate the vote all by themselves.From there, it would just be a vote-them-all-off policy.

[Mockra]

Tennes, on Dec 10 2008, 01:23 PM, said:

You're judging killers on who didnt claim RI?
Also, driss wasnt one of those who claimed RI was he? Not one that proved it anyway. So why's he VPI? I think you've got him and ruse mixed up?
Would you trust me more if I went "by the way, im RI also, no way to prove but hey, why not". Cause thats just silly.

no but he was heavily involved in lynching kaschan, i can't really remember ruse but i thought he was one of them ri people. You were heavily against that ri thing yesterday. Plus its only a list from my mind and as a starting point for my suspicions. its should just be discussed. I am sure everyone has a list, if we all pool our susupicions we can decide who the best bet is.

[Emurlahn]

OK, I'm taking a bit of a leap here. I was going to wait until pressured, but I guess we might be quite close to victory so remaining silent will do little, and it seems that with Mockra's guard and the keymaster thingie, there's speculation is on my role anyway... so best throw it out in the open.
I may have a few pieces of the puzzle, or I may make things only more complex. Think carefully before you answer if you want me to reveal or not, because I don't understand all the dimensions of my role completely yet and I may present stuff that's really open to interpretation.

Emurlahn, piece of the puzzle.

[Mockra]

don't reveal, are you nuts, jeez dont even suggest you have one!!!

[Emurlahn]

Mockra, on Dec 10 2008, 02:36 PM, said:

don't reveal, are you nuts, jeez dont even suggest you have one!!!

Too late for that

[Tennes]

Still not happy bout the RI thing tbh, but I suppose that, since it seems, by emus logic, that you'll probably die, it makes me happier on the front of personal survival against teamwork. Nothing can be done now, anyhow.

For now, looking for the other bad guys seems important.l Im kind wanting to lynch you(mockra) just on the suspicion of you being evil. The whole, "why would I lie" thing you keep repeating, and saying you got no info. One night, possible, 2, unlikely. On the other hand, im a bit suspicious of Emu anyhow, so wouldnt mind lynching him, and that would likely give your alignment. Im not really sure where the whole Rashan suspicion comes from. Hes a bit suspicious, but I dont like being told what to do, how to play etc much either, and have had a go at people in the past for telling me how I should play etc, so I can kinda see where hes coming from.

Its kinda like this:

I want to lynch someone anyway, but have a couple of other suspicions as well.
Someone else tells me what I HAVE to do.
I get pissy and dont do it, kinda to spite them(what a team player I can be )

Maybe its just me, and I dont like being told what I have to do, but I can kinda see where he's coming from there.

On the other hand, at that time it was pretty much the only lynch. Also, with hindsight, it was Gozer, so if he is evil, then ofc he wouldnt want to hammer.

[D'riss]

Tennes, on Dec 10 2008, 03:23 PM, said:

You're judging killers on who didnt claim RI?
Also, driss wasnt one of those who claimed RI was he? Not one that proved it anyway. So why's he VPI? I think you've got him and ruse mixed up?
Would you trust me more if I went "by the way, im RI also, no way to prove but hey, why not". Cause thats just silly.

No, indeed, I never participated in this "prove you're roleless" shenanigans and I take pride in that.

Speaking of which, Tennes, that's two nights in a row you survive despite intense speculation you're not RI. I never let that fact alone guide my vote, of course, because that can go two ways, but the killers have a little less problems with that.

First night, they nailed a GB, so I put it on the whatever-way-they-have to figure Silanah out and ignore you. But yesterday they nailed a proven RI. You're either a killer or giving them some obvious "symp" vibes.

I'm getting weary here.

[Tennes]

Its pretty obvious who has roles and who doesnt at this point, anyhow, if you consider the amount of roles there's likely to be.
One reason I was against the RIs all revealing.

Dont reveal, as mockra says.

On the other hand, Mockra may just be worried you will reveal, as he knows you've got a "good" role, which would confirm him as evil.

I'd leave it for now though, unless its a trivial good role, that cant do anything of use. If it is useful, dont.

Unless you are evil, whereas yep, reveal pl0x.

[D'riss]

Oh, interesting.

Well, we can see it this way: out of the two (Emur, Mockra), right now, one of them is good roled and one of them is evil roled. Lynching them both guarantees we kill a scum, and a good role.

But since Slimer is a guard and there was a kill, then neither of them is the missing killer, so maybe we can let them both be for now and focus on the missing killer?

[Ruse]

I dislike the fact that Mockra claims he switched guard at the last minute. We're all looking at him to see if we can see any evidence of him switching sides...changing one's vote after the fact would imply to me that he has obtained new evidence - ie. he now has a faction. If that is the case, then the fact that he was lying about it implies to me that he is now evil.

So Vote Mockra for the time being. I'm amenable to changing if you guys can convince me there are better cases on others.

Also, I won't be quite as active this game day as usual - there is a long period of internetlessness scheduled for this evening, for which I must spend most of today preparing for.

[Tennes]

Well, why hit a proven RI at all, instead of anyone. THey KNOW hes not roled, so obviously chose RI, deliberately.
Im guessing for the reasons emu stated, the fewer numbers we get, with lots of CI, then killers are fucked.

Yes, they could have killed me. Thye could have guessed at someone else roled. Instead they picked a RI.

Also, if they know im roled, they hit a CI, that gets a CI out of the way, everyone goes, how the fuck did the roled dude survive, instead of the proven CI, and then you lynch him, which does their work for them.

So yeah, im guessing I survived cause they're worried about having too many CIs running around. Its more confusing for us to have no CIs, and also, later in the game, CIs are bad for them.

[Mockra]

i already revealed as evil, i dont see why people are ignoring it. i can turn though so unless the evil started with alot of players i am just a guard who happens to be evil. you can lynch me if you want, but i am telling the truth, i havent lied once about my role. i never recieved a pm about my alignment and i have guarded twice so any confusion people have of whether i am still nuetral should dispell it. I am the opposite of emurlahn now, so reveal if you are inno i am evil.

i think i am pretty set with narrowing down to you three players with rashan lowest on that list as he is the most obvious link to kaschan, and so least likely. So its you or korlat for me, if we lynch one i will guard theother. If you want to lynch me today then go ahead.

[D'riss]

Lynching Slimer will give us a "Slimer" CF, and won't answer our question, which means we have to lynch Emurlahn to be safe.

Or we could start by Emurlahn, but Emurlahn hints he's roled, so if we lynch them both, we lose a good role for an non-killer scum, is that the best thing to do?

[Kessobahn]

damn. that is all. Not sure I like the Mockra clears emur, due to the fact that if emur was right and the mechanic was wrong, Mockra CI's the last killer. Confused why Mockra would say he was gaurding Rash and then gaurd Emur. Why risk letting a kill go through at all, even if the killer did withhold a kill thats good for us. Plus if Mockra gaurded the symp(Rash) wouldn't that make them evil, and thus want to protect the killer? To many questions. And now Emur says, I'll reveal. I say go for it, lets see what the puzzle piece is, and if Mockra is telling the truth, and you add some knowledge, we know 2 other CI's that leaves what 4 or 5 unknowns? If you aren't a killer Emur, then the killer will know that and already has any info he needs even if you reveal. I vote yes.