[Kessobahn]

Tennes, on Dec 9 2008, 03:33 PM, said:

Shit, inno modkill? Damn, that makes things worse, especially with the amount of GBs we've lost.

Why Shadow wasn't helpful and was a non-poster, making a very likely lynch target. Nope, I think we are better off even with the inno loss, especially because he was roleless.

[Tennes]

Aye, but he wasnt getting a lynch pushed at that time.
No inno death is good. Yes, he may have been pushed onto, so it could be good I suppose, but id still prefer it not to have happened. Still, least he was roleless.

[Tennes]

Kessobahn, on Dec 9 2008, 08:37 PM, said:

Ruse, on Dec 9 2008, 02:16 PM, said:

Damn, one less inno. Makes it quite a bit closer to do or die time...in fact, if there were 4 scum and Mockra is in fact evil, we need a win tonight. *gulp*

You're figuring 4 scum plus a possible Mockra? No way, team scum would be way over powered, 3 scum and a possible Mockra max. IMO. 2 killer ghosts and a symp ghost. No way Yellow gave team evil 4. Right?

Hahahahahha, this IS yellow...

Though I think that lynching mockra at some point may be a decent plan, because he is a risky unknown, and playing WCS could become evil guard. Not now though, because I think Kaschan could be scum.

[Fener]

Cross post-

I know that, I guess my point was that , you seem to be basing your vote on the fact that he hesitated at the start, and then finally did vote. I am just pointing out that I felt the same way as him. And my behavior was similar. I know I am inno therefore I find his play logical and not vote worthy.

Also, I wasn't complaining. Maybe it was just happenstance I was pointing something out. Can you argue that you barely posted, then I voted and all of a sudden your post count explodes? I was just pointing it out to see what others thought.

You have been very antagonistic since you started posting, is there a reason for this? Maybe it's just how I am reading your posts but it seems like you have a chip on your shoulder. Don't attack me, it was just an observation

[Tennes]

Just a bit pissed off with the general play really.

The whole RI reveal thing irritated me, as it basically narrowed down who the roled ones are for the scum. Yes, the scum will be narrowed down aswell, but they will then also know who not to hit, so will have a lot more chance of hitting roled people. Now, im willing to bet that without the GBs it would be a lot harder to get rid of Gozer etc.

Also, as people pointed out earlier, people seem intent on surviving, more than helping their team. The RI reveal seemed like that to me, it means the RI ones have a big chance of surviving, rather than people with roles who could give team inno the edge if they survive. Having said that, a few CIs is nice.

Edit: Well, for now, having said that, im not sure how many of the reveals I accept. A couple. THe first couple. Kess and Ruse was it? The ones that got the J and S.

This post has been edited by Tennes: 09 December 2008 - 08:53 PM

[Fener]

I guess, I figured that the shit was out there so we deal with it and move on. Sucked it happened that way, but it did and now we move on. we need to take advantage of what it gave us.

I agree with you though, RI's aren't really roleless. There job is to point things out to roled players while looking roled themselves thus inducing a wasted NK on a roleless.

bah! I keep putting off leaving. 15 more minutes then I have to go. Seems like a ton of people lurking and no one posting..hopefully not waiting for me to vote so they can hammer...nobody would do that right? Right Mocker?!?! Right!?!?!

This post has been edited by Fener: 09 December 2008 - 08:59 PM

[Ruse]

Right, I've had a look through Kaschan's posts, and noted that he hasn't really pushed anything all game. He voted for Omtose reasonably early, but said at the time that it was essentially a coin flip between him and D'riss, ie. he had no strong preference one way or the other. This lack of opinion, when coupled with the oddness around the time of the Gamesheo lynch, makes me think he's quite possibly worth voting for. I'm not sure I want to put him on L-1 though - there's still quite a few hours left in the day for discussion.

[Tennes]

As opposed to looking roleless and pointing out to the scum who the roled ones are, aye.

Still, you're right about making the best of what we've got, I suppose. Now, does anyone know what time Kasch gets back, cause early he seemed in a rush and fairly unwilling to defend, but I would like to hear his defence, if possible, although i'll be in bed by then.

[Tennes]

2 Members: Tennes, Lisheo

Poor guy, sitting outside, wanting to spam, but he just...cant...manage!

We do have a bit of time(around 9 hours?) so yeah, I wouldnt advise any speed lynching.
Having said that, although its apparently a "common" scummy thing to do, jumo on and hammer, I doubt any scum would do it. Anyone jumping on and hammering, would look really suspicious, so I doubt scum would risk it.
Unless thats what they're counting on us to think...etc

Edit: Changed bold to italics.

This post has been edited by Tennes: 09 December 2008 - 09:04 PM

[Fener]

HP brought it up that The RI had a name.

I said I agree with him and started basing my Gamelon thinking on that. I stated that Game must be scum because he claimed RI and I knew RI had a last name.
Ruse freaked out cause he forgot bout generic last name and went back and showed the quote. I asked him to provide the first letter of the last name. He did so correctly. Kess started Freaking out and I considered him a symp. He then provided the First letter of the last name. I immediately dropped all speculation on Kess. Then Omtose kind of dumbly just dropped the name out there in General conversation, and unless he has your amazing ability (which I still don't buy btw) to figure out an exact name from 2 letters, I considered him inno. Not CI, but PI. Me... well I just went along and dropped people off my list based on this. Of the 5 I am the least believable. But I think my behavior shows where I am. If you think I am scum though... you must think I have the biggest set of Brass balls in Mafia History. *looks down at pants* nope

Damn Cross Post

@ Ruse Thats what I got... he hasn't been much help, but he really hasn't done anything bad. I am having a really hard time pulling the voting trigger on him. Did you have any luck on Emur?

This post has been edited by Fener: 09 December 2008 - 09:09 PM

[Tennes]

My ability isnt magic, and im not really sure why its unbelievable. Yes, he'd said it earlier, but if i'd known about it, id know id look like a twat if I said I was guessing.
Joe schmoe, its just easy to guess. With the initials JS, for me, RI name would be between that, and John Smith. Its not hard to figure, particularly. At the time when I made the guess it was fairly obvious I wasnt RI, so I had little to lose from the guess. My point being, im not gonna CI a bunch of people based on that. Kess, fine, Ruse, fine, possibly even HP, but not all of you. Having said that, I wouldnt base a vote on just that, as I would look for actual scummy behaviour first, and since you have less of that than others, I go for them.

[Rashan]

Fener, on Dec 9 2008, 09:32 PM, said:

Before I go, Rash- what do you think of Kaschan?

Kaschan seems to have flown under the radar, so to speak. Not really arguing with anyone, not standing out in any way.
Tbh, there's more players than him that have managed that. He could be a possible scum, as could many others low flying people.

I'd rather lynch someone that is very likely scum (people seem to get annoyed when I say I know Mockra is scum), hence my vote on Mockra. He's a wildcard. We don't know when he guards a good person or when he guards a bad person. He's bound to lie about it, although granted he only knows what his alignment is from CF's, but he could lie about who he guards. He won't know what team he's on in the end, so neither will we. It's a setup for chaos, which will only benefit the scums.

[Fener]

Thats Fine and you...not being me... I would expect to play that way and have those reservations. I guess as long as we are working in the same direction it doesn't matter.

[Kessobahn]

Ok, here is an adendum to why we should lynch Emur. Not today, since thats unlikely, however, Emur hopped on and said"Why the rush! Why not discuss! But i won't be on much today, I just thought I would drop in and say fuck you all. Now, if you'll notice Emur has really not been agressive, except to say I was the symp. No where else has he been so pushy, I don't remember a case he has made either, yet the "content" of his posts has been enough to keep attention off of him. Maybe someone else can take a look at him and give an un-biased POV. I still see scum, with a possible Rashan symp. Just a thought.

[Tennes]

I agree to an extent with you Rashan, that Mockra may not be good to keep around.
On the other hand, we know he isnt Gozer, or another big baddie, so i'd prefer to hear on who you think they are.

[Kessobahn]

Rashan, on Dec 9 2008, 04:14 PM, said:

Fener, on Dec 9 2008, 09:32 PM, said:

Before I go, Rash- what do you think of Kaschan?

Kaschan seems to have flown under the radar, so to speak. Not really arguing with anyone, not standing out in any way.
Tbh, there's more players than him that have managed that. He could be a possible scum, as could many others low flying people.

I'd rather lynch someone that is very likely scum (people seem to get annoyed when I say I know Mockra is scum), hence my vote on Mockra. He's a wildcard. We don't know when he guards a good person or when he guards a bad person. He's bound to lie about it, although granted he only knows what his alignment is from CF's, but he could lie about who he guards. He won't know what team he's on in the end, so neither will we. It's a setup for chaos, which will only benefit the scums.

Rash, I realize its not fair for me to do to you what Emur did to me with the whole symp thing and I appologize for that, would you mind giving me your input on Emur so far?

[Rashan]

Tennes, on Dec 9 2008, 10:16 PM, said:

I agree to an extent with you Rashan, that Mockra may not be good to keep around.
On the other hand, we know he isnt Gozer, or another big baddie, so i'd prefer to hear on who you think they are.

That's a bit harder to pinpoint of course. It could be anyone of the players laying low, and Kaschan is one of the possibilities. But there's not like there's a shortage of middle-ground players. There's only a couple of us that have felt the heat, so to speak. The rest is unknown. Which turn gives us enough information? I'm not convinced it's lynching Kaschan.
It doesn't seem like we have much cases to choose from, and that in itself is not good for the team.

[Rashan]

Kessobahn, on Dec 9 2008, 10:18 PM, said:

Rash, I realize its not fair for me to do to you what Emur did to me with the whole symp thing and I appologize for that, would you mind giving me your input on Emur so far?

Thanks, I guess.

Emur seems to be a very knowledgeable player that, beside his little freak out the other day, pretty much have also flown under the radar. I can't really complain about the freak out, since I was standing next to him screaming too. Otherwise he feels very much to be an unknown.

[Kessobahn]

Rashan, on Dec 9 2008, 04:27 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Dec 9 2008, 10:18 PM, said:

Rash, I realize its not fair for me to do to you what Emur did to me with the whole symp thing and I appologize for that, would you mind giving me your input on Emur so far?

Thanks, I guess.

Emur seems to be a very knowledgeable player that, beside his little freak out the other day, pretty much have also flown under the radar. I can't really complain about the freak out, since I was standing next to him screaming too. Otherwise he feels very much to be an unknown.

Way to commit, lol. Now you have no idea who might be scum, but youre pretty sure Mockra is and you think Kas isn't but other than that you have no opinion. Are we playing the same game Rash? I mean, look at Tennes, claiming he is a master code breaker. And Omtose, saying that HP is CIed. Yet nothing sticks out as particularly scummy? Huh.

[Tennes]

Im not really sure what all this hype is with my code thing.

Either:

I broke it, and its possible scum are there.
I didnt, and am a liar, and its completely scum free.

Just because it IS guessable, doesnt mean there ARE scum there. You should judge that normally. My main point was, dont just assume CI all the RIs, and give a free ride. Something Omtose was very opposed to.

This post has been edited by Tennes: 09 December 2008 - 09:34 PM