[Omtose]

Gamelon, on Dec 5 2008, 05:26 PM, said:

Rashan, on Dec 5 2008, 10:23 PM, said:

Gamelon, on Dec 5 2008, 11:17 PM, said:

Check through my posts if you want proof I ain't scum
and no, not the obvious "code" one, which isn't a code.
I'm not convinced by Mockra's innocence, either, but I'll get to that later in the day, I'll post the PM I sent to P-S conemplating it, if needed.

Apparently Omtose has been going with the flow and even contradicting his posts to do so. I haven't looked at it in detail but I could swear Omtose wasn't quite that bad. I shall examine it in a while.

There's some sort of proof of your innocence somewhere? Care to point me to it?

No, I don't think I will. But its there, if someone actually knows the characters of the movie (and I'm defo in it, of which I ain't sure) and wants to go over my posts.

Edit: just checked the characters. Christ, I need to watch that movie more. My character is indeed in it!

you are RI and have a Movie character name?...i call bullshit.
I am RI and dont have a character name. Unless yellow just give us RI's each a different random name and you just happened to land a name that is in fact in the movie, you are lying.
If you are inno i suggest you come clean. I am willing to believe that Mockra didnt turn into anything because there was no action to block, and therefore didnt get turned (i still dont buy though)
But your saying you have a character name AND are a RI is just a pure unadulterated...LIE.

[Mockra]

shouldnt we wait to see what gamelons cf says before we decide who is a danger being paired with him?

[D'riss]

I think Omtose is about to do a Catch-Up-Vote-Oh-Shit-Was-That-A-Hammer ™, so we should know soon.

[Mockra]

glad to see some of us never head our alts

[D'riss]

Hood's Path, on Dec 8 2008, 11:44 AM, said:

Mockra, on Dec 8 2008, 11:43 AM, said:

for being the hammer?

no, I already laid out my reason for believing Kaschan Gamelon's partner a bit above. It has to do with how he's dealt with the growing Gamelon train

I hope he is. Otherwise, if he's honest, I think we should start a "Group Masturbation" subforum, considering his (and other's) attitude in the mafia games. They're not looking for the same pleasures I am.

[Kaschan]

D'riss, on Dec 8 2008, 01:57 AM, said:

Hood's Path, on Dec 8 2008, 11:44 AM, said:

Mockra, on Dec 8 2008, 11:43 AM, said:

for being the hammer?

no, I already laid out my reason for believing Kaschan Gamelon's partner a bit above. It has to do with how he's dealt with the growing Gamelon train

I hope he is. Otherwise, if he's honest, I think we should start a "Group Masturbation" subforum, considering his (and other's) attitude in the mafia games. They're not looking for the same pleasures I am.

Yeah, how silly of me to want to be more involved in the process, rather than just constantly catching up through re-reads.

[D'riss]

Kaschan, on Dec 8 2008, 11:59 AM, said:

Yeah, how silly of me to want to be more involved in the process, rather than just constantly catching up through re-reads.

I still fail to see how you can excuse postponing a vote based on "I'd rather know the result when I wake up than before going to bed".

There ARE good reasons to postpone a vote, this one makes no sense. Ironically, it would be more selfish pleasure to put someone at L-1 early even if you don't think he's scum, because THEN you increase the chances of seeing the results before going to bed.

The way you describe it makes no sense, so IMO you're back-pedalling after HP called you out.

[D'riss]

Kaschan, on Dec 8 2008, 10:02 AM, said:

Headed off to bed soon. Looks like everyone's just kind of shuffling their feet, wondering if we should lynch people who aren't really scum ... but, well, aren't really Inno. I think Mockra probably already is scum, and is playing some kind of game with us. No idea how much truth or untruth there is to Mockra and Gamelon's stories, or Kesso's not-too-subtly encoded maybe reveal.

Does that look like a guy who wants to get involved in the game? No, it looks like a guy who's trying to stall a lynch.


He gets called:

Kaschan, on Dec 8 2008, 10:56 AM, said:

Oh, I'm still here. I just hate to put someone at L-1 right before I leave for a while, especially without a mod around.

Lack of resolution and all that.

So why are you waiting to be "right before you leave for a while" to vote? You were around an hour earlier.

But now HP calls you out:

Kaschan, on Dec 8 2008, 10:58 AM, said:

In fact, now that we've got six people on, and I won't have to wait long:


Vote Gamelon

Where's the mod? Nowhere, so even if a hammer comes you won't get "resolution" any more than when you made your first post.

Like I said, it makes no sense. But let's see Gamelon's CF first.

[Omtose]

Ruse, on Dec 5 2008, 05:47 PM, said:

Rashan, on Dec 5 2008, 10:22 PM, said:

Ruse, on Dec 5 2008, 11:16 PM, said:

I made a case against Omtose, at post #554.

Summary, correct me if I'm wrong, Omtose seems to be a copycat, and the reasons why he vote isn't exactly clear.

I would prefer to lay it out as follows:


1. Omtose was pointing fingers early, with nothing to back him up whatsoever, but nevertheless tried to appear very confident that he had found scum.

2. He was quick to switch votes as soon as a train came along for him to jump on, despite previously being very sure of his own case. (as an addendum, he never mentioned Korlat again after switching trains, although he has yet to post this game day)

3. His stated reasons for doing so were inconsistent and contradictory.



Which seems like a pretty decent case to me (although I would say that, wouldn't I? ).

ah ok let me answer this.

1. This is called playing mafia....poke a bit here and there and see what the reactions are. You should try it sometime it actually gets results

2. Were do you get i that i was "Sure of my own case", strawman much?
I only pointed out that Korlat was my favourite at the time for being scum, because his play style was consistent with that of a potential scum bag.
I never said i was "sure" he was scum. I only said that his repeating what others have said is the best evidence for scum i had seen so far.
More so, than even liosans self vote as i have said many times i think that the self vote was reactionary to kessoh betting his card.
At the time kessoh was tearing liosan a new one and I thought we should perhaps look in other directions aswell, as it was "the kessoh show" at that time and that is ideal for the killers as no one is looking any where else.
If you read ALL my posts you will see that i did in fact start to say that i should ignore Kessoh and look at what liosan has done, because perhaps kessoh's attitude was blinding me to the evidence that liosan in factcould be guitly.
I was stuck in two minds over liosan.
Then mockra made a case...and i liked it.
I changed my mind and voted liosan because of Mockra's case.
So for you to say i was Quick is in correct, i was mulling over liosan quite a bit.

3. What? My reasons where quite plain.
I agreed with mockras case...and voted.
I thought it was quite obvious.
I think you are confusing my not liking kessohs case on liosan and then liking mockras case on the same guy i suppose.

[Omtose]

Mockra, on Dec 8 2008, 04:57 AM, said:

glad to see some of us never head our alts

well the cat was out of the bag the moment i was forced to post out of alt to give a heads up on my situation....meh

[Kaschan]

D'riss, on Dec 8 2008, 02:06 AM, said:

Where's the mod? Nowhere, so even if a hammer comes you won't get "resolution" any more than when you made your first post.

Like I said, it makes no sense. But let's see Gamelon's CF first.

P-S is here. I'm still waiting - as far as I can tell, no one has actually dropped the hammer. I'm really hoping Omtose will.

I'm not making perfect sense, but I've been honest about my motives. This is an interactive game.

This post has been edited by Kaschan: 08 December 2008 - 10:14 AM

[Omtose]

D'riss, on Dec 8 2008, 04:54 AM, said:

I think Omtose is about to do a Catch-Up-Vote-Oh-Shit-Was-That-A-Hammer ™, so we should know soon.

well, catch up as we go is a necessity if i have to catch up on 15 pages...

[Omtose]

Gamelon, on Dec 5 2008, 09:37 PM, said:

Rashan, on Dec 6 2008, 02:28 AM, said:

Fener, on Dec 6 2008, 02:30 AM, said:

oops 1 more thing,

@Rashan If you think thay the Mockra reveal is an obvious Gam symp, why are you so adamant about the Mockra lynch? Shouldn't you be begging us to lynch gamelon?

As you can see in my previous posts I have contemplated voting for either of them. The symping thing could be a scum helping his fellow scum, which is what I believe is the correct way to see this. This is not some regular symping story, it's a full blown scum setup. I'd got for Gamelon if you want to, because for me it doesn't matter, because I think they're both scum, with CF's to go with it.


I've been up way too long, see y'all tomorrow.

All I can say is after my role has been more or less revealed, not a fancy one either, by someone else, when I clarify, if I get lynched for fucking symping/whatever, when my ROLE NAME, NOT CF comes up and you LEARN virtually nothing except to listen to me next time, I'll be really pissed. I'll be able to stomach the lynch of Slimer, because his role mechanics are potentially dangerous to the innos, if that is how his role works, but when I encode my name and the fucking person who played me in the movie (Wikipedia is my friend) it's just completely detrimental to the innos.
Anyway. Good night Rashan.

ugh....so is he claiming RI or fucking NOT???????

[D'riss]

Omtose, on Dec 8 2008, 12:19 PM, said:

ugh....so is he claiming RI or fucking NOT???????

Should we kill the punch?

[Hood's Path]

Omtose, on Dec 8 2008, 12:19 PM, said:

Gamelon, on Dec 5 2008, 09:37 PM, said:

Rashan, on Dec 6 2008, 02:28 AM, said:

Fener, on Dec 6 2008, 02:30 AM, said:

oops 1 more thing,

@Rashan If you think thay the Mockra reveal is an obvious Gam symp, why are you so adamant about the Mockra lynch? Shouldn't you be begging us to lynch gamelon?

As you can see in my previous posts I have contemplated voting for either of them. The symping thing could be a scum helping his fellow scum, which is what I believe is the correct way to see this. This is not some regular symping story, it's a full blown scum setup. I'd got for Gamelon if you want to, because for me it doesn't matter, because I think they're both scum, with CF's to go with it.


I've been up way too long, see y'all tomorrow.

All I can say is after my role has been more or less revealed, not a fancy one either, by someone else, when I clarify, if I get lynched for fucking symping/whatever, when my ROLE NAME, NOT CF comes up and you LEARN virtually nothing except to listen to me next time, I'll be really pissed. I'll be able to stomach the lynch of Slimer, because his role mechanics are potentially dangerous to the innos, if that is how his role works, but when I encode my name and the fucking person who played me in the movie (Wikipedia is my friend) it's just completely detrimental to the innos.
Anyway. Good night Rashan.

ugh....so is he claiming RI or fucking NOT???????

He's definitly not RI as he claimed he'd not received a name. Also, since he revealed as an evil character, I'd assume no

[Hood's Path]

D'riss, on Dec 8 2008, 12:23 PM, said:

Omtose, on Dec 8 2008, 12:19 PM, said:

ugh....so is he claiming RI or fucking NOT???????

Should we kill the punch?

ah yeah, I forget his way of playing

[Omtose]

Gamelon, on Dec 7 2008, 08:19 AM, said:

Oh, dear lord.

Vote Mockra

That's all I can say. I think he's scum, and I think he is a finder-symp who has to locate his masters, or is trying to signal them for some reason.

Reasons for this: Someone mentioned his insistance to guard me tonight. I agree. Even if his role acts like he says he does, that is questionable. If his goal is to find a win condition, then his playing style is detrimental to himself. The reveal was pointless, and I don't understand why he did it, unless his aim was to get me lynched or signal me to his masters. I am worried that it is the later.
He mentioned P-S sent him a message saying "finder-guard, like fuck." No one else picked up on this, but where I come from, and its possible its just limited to my country, but that means "You're not a finder guard at all!" which sounds suspiciously like a signal to me.
As there is no CF, lynching him will not exonerate me tomorrow, because chances are he really is Slimer.

Kessobahn raised an interesting point. If he truly is an RI, and he does not have a name, well...
I do have a name, but I have no ability, and I am a goodie. Believe me or not, but I am not a GB, so no worries there, if you have to lynch me, so be it.

if you are a goodie, and have a name, yet no role...whats the harm in telling us the name then?

[Hood's Path]

he's kind of cute all things told

[D'riss]

Very ironic too.

"What's the harm?", lol

[Kaschan]

Fuck it, I give up. It's 2:30 a.m., P-S just left, Omtose won't hammer, and I'm cold sober ... I'll just have to find out in the late morning over coffee if Gamelon was telling the truth, and whether you guys are going to be smart enough to take out Mockra during the next Day. I have no idea why HP suddenly thinks trusting him will be a good idea ... well, I have a theory, but I'm sure the rest of you can see it for yourselves.

@D'riss: Time zones are a bitch. I'm just a bit frustrated to be in one that doesn't allow a lot of real-time involvement, with most of the players being (seemingly) about eight-to-ten hours ahead of me. It also has a tendency to make me look uninvolved. Not sure where you're coming from, saying that it's bad I want to be present for the goings-on while they're, uh, going. We're obviously in this game for different things. Maybe I should stick with FPSs, with the attendant instant gratification.