[Liosan]

I hammer him.
Its only fair.

[Liosan]

vote rashan

Its only fair.
Dude, I know you're inno, but wouldve voted you anyway, and if not me, someone else wouldve.
Sorry, but its unfair of me to base my actions on something I saw on a cf I shouldn't have seen.

Sorry again Lish.

[Rashan]

 Kaschan, on Nov 26 2008, 04:53 PM, said:

 D'riss, on Nov 24 2008, 01:41 PM, said:

BAH
I am the most "earthy" from all of you.

Shadows, darkness, soundwaves, boars, light--these are all the things a more refined mind would enjoy.
I stand for the working man. Me and the Ambergis Popular Front.
The days of the bourgeois regency are numbered. The power shall soon return to its rightful owners--the working classes.

Now does anyone else think that this could be some sort of code. I am not yellow and usually don't bother trying to find codes but this posts really stood out.
Talking through his arse. I don't know what's going on here, D'riss is CLEARLY referring to the books

Next up Liosan

 Liosan, on Nov 24 2008, 06:05 PM, said:

Mod, you are a nasty nasty man.
Explanation, since you all seem to want one:

Reaction fishing: Yes, I knew it was unlikely he'd admit killer, but it was possible, and reactions are good, they give us info. For example, his wtf are you doing post makes him more likely innocent in my eyes. Now, im pretty useless to my team, so I dont really care if I die, whereas taking someone else off the suspect list, at least mine, is good. And yes, its worked before. See grief getting a reveal in the heroes game, by pretending he'd won.

Wanting him to shut up: He was irritating me.

Not only that, but it provokes others to react, whcih is generally good, as it gets the game moving.

So lynch me. Whatever. Im useless anyway, other than one more vote for team inno, so it was, in my opinion, worth it for the information, and for any information you get from my lynch.

Mod. You are so nasty. Meanie.

 Liosan, on Nov 24 2008, 06:32 PM, said:

I dont think fake claiming is risking a modkill, afaik, so im not exactly "quitting", on purpose.
If you lynch me, then you get whatever info from my train, plus anos likely innocent.
Whereas, if we lynched ano, what'd we gain? A bit of info.

Look at it this way:

What harm did my claim do?

What Harm Seriously? Are you thinking using the head on your shoulders! You set up an inno for Nk. Plus it gave you something to hide behind for the next day it also forces us to lynch you eventually and any information we might have gotten out of your train is worthless. Cause every single person will be able to say that they are voting for you cause you faked revealed.
I agree. But that's why I pushed for evidence on my train. Because anyone who doesn't give evidence in my view is fucking scum.

 Gamelon, on Nov 25 2008, 04:39 AM, said:

 Rashan, on Nov 25 2008, 08:35 AM, said:

I'm ALWAYS interested to see who gets nked, though, haven't you noticed? WIFOM is fun to try and see the logic behind.
Well, at least we can move on a little from what took up all of Day One. I probably won't be on much, I have an IT exam today and also a fucking life skills essay to do (You heard me. Life Skills. An essay in it. Tbh I'm tempted to fail the module on purpose because life skills does not belong in a fucking college course)

Your second sentence make no sense at all.

I also recalled something that I noted during my catch-up this morning. The fuck if I'm going back to paddle in all those posts to find the quotes, but if needed I'll supply them.

Shadow was inno, then. And for sure not a symp because he was the ninja. Early Shadow came to your defense, and as soon as that happened you opened a can of lick-ass to the guy, I guess you saw your opportunity.

After the Liosan ninja fake-out, your first post was about the possibility that Liosan was scum helping his scum buddy out of trouble. Then all of a sudden you post that Liosan was VPI, and Ano PI. A few pages later, Shadow comes out with the possibility that Liosan was scum helping his scum buddy out of trouble, and there you go quoting proudly your earlier post about having the same idea.

Then now that Shadow is back, you pound the idea that everyone assumed you two were lovers, which is soemthing that never came close to cross my mind. Youdo this since, I guess, Shadow is inno, and you want to fake the idea that you guys were on the same wavelength.

Hey here we are a couple of posts into night and someone is happily pointing out the people who are CI's or VPI. Wow do you think that the killers needed reminding. Cause that is what it looks like to me. A symp making sure that his masters know who to take out.
Symps don't get to decide who the killers take out so this is IRRELEVANT

 Liosan, on Nov 25 2008, 03:57 PM, said:

Oh please, lets just brush it off with little explanation so no heed is payed.
Oh please, let you go ahead and deliberately not contribute.

You want not to discuss to stop it being focussed on the two off you?
Sorry, im completely not buying that.

Discuss everyone else, and the limelight is off you two. Simple. All you have to do, is refrain from attacking each other, which seems why you dont want to post, which shows you can refrain from it perfectly fine.
You had a lot of pressure earlier, and looked at one point quite a likely lynch. At that point, the logical thing for a killer partner to do would be to distance.

I don't really have a solid reason for including this post other then the "Oh please" lines at the top. Struck me as suspicious.

 Kaschan, on Nov 26 2008, 04:54 PM, said:

Second part.

 Rashan, on Nov 25 2008, 05:24 PM, said:

Not a total surprise? I thought it was quite surprising, until I REALLY thought about it.

Gentlemen, I gave you a dodgy quiet alt who jumped at the idea of being symped at first but then settled quickly into it.
Comments?
Edit: from who jumped to into it.

Yes I started off trying to get Rash to stop symping me using agression but that wasn't working so I decided that I would go the other way. It eventually worked. I have a total of 9 posts and I am a bigger suspect then Liosan with his fake reveal and D'riss with his possible code that nobody at all pointed out. Are you people even reading the thread, some times I wonder. The case against me isn't even worth defending as it is mostly based off of me not posting any content and only joke posts during the first couple of hours. That is my wifes fault as she got me sick. So bugger off cause she can take all of you.

 Thyrllan, on Nov 25 2008, 06:34 PM, said:

Well earlier most of the attention was sort of swirling round the four main people, Shadow,Ano,Sil and Rash and now that 2 of those are dead, most of what we have from the other day is discussion about Sil and Rash and a ridiculous ninja by Liosan. Now Rash and Sil are trying to pull back a bit and put pressure on other people and get more things flowing which has just linked them together more despite any earlier distancing but as I think this is probably a good idea so we dont just get bogged down killing everyone who posted lots on day. Now Liosan is interesting, I think it is possible he is a symp and his master is somewhere in the group not in the limelight as he is making some goodish points about this step back from play by rash and sil and is trying to keep people looking at them.
I havent really got much of a read on any other players although Kaschans symp boss play with rashan was interesting as he just changed tack in the middle of it and decided to embrace the symping when an earlier post was Symp me and youll get lynched, but thats all I remember about him and its not enough to convince me of guilt.
Cant think at all of what Korlats done so will check that in a minute as it shouldnt take too long.
At the moment Fener Driss and Tennes are just blending together for me and Im finding it hard to seperate which of them has said what.

Now Thyrllan is coming on after spending the first day just posting enough to be avoided. He suddenly looks really helpful and people are instantly CI him cause he is providing content. Give me a break.
No one instantly CIed him. I let him talk and got his opinions, and was glad he posted, but no one said, oh he's a CI

 Tennes, on Nov 25 2008, 06:56 PM, said:

Just had a look over Gamelon's posts :- my first impression is that he is fairly tenacious in chasing up his gut instincts - he jokes about D'riss, then hooks onto Thryllan for not voting for anyone. Defends that a couple of times, spams a bit, and then was one of the first people active after PS confirmed that Shadowbent had gone ninja. That gave him a new suspect, Rashan, who he seems very suspicious of, far more so in tone than any of the other mid posters. He posted quite a few times to that effect, although I guess that can be put down to having nothing else to talk about at the time. I'd like to get a look at him when there are plenty of other on at the same time - some more conversation might shed further light on his tendencies.

Really you didn't think that the fact that he pointed out the only CI and VPI as soon as night started was suspicious. That just means that you aren't looking for anything.

 Thyrllan, on Nov 25 2008, 06:58 PM, said:

Ok kaschan really hasnt done a lot at all. He basically came in and made a jokey post abou thow everyone was on his list of scum apart from himself as he was awesome. Then rashan made some master remark to him and he reacted as "attempting to symp me will get you lynched scum" to him, which is interesting as when you look at it his next 4 or 5 posts are just him roleplaying as Rashans master which doesnt really fit with the previous statement, after that he says something about D'riss possibly being a symp because he didnt like the spammers, seems a bit thin logic to me there but he does say that himself and doesnt place a vote so il let that go i think.
Thats pretty much all hes done, The change in attitude really stands out to me though as he doesnt explain it and it is really hard to miss if you actually read his stuff, so I will try and keep a closer eye on him when he gets back.

Now this is the 3rd or 4th time that you have brought up my name trying to get a lynch going. The only thing that you have was from the first couple of hours on day one when everyone was putting up joke posts. This looks like a killer trying to get a lynch going on someone who isn't around to defend themselves. If it was to get pressure on me then you would have make a case once and vote for me like Rashan did. Instead you are basically posting the same thing twice and trying to get other people to vote for me so that you can come on later and vote in the middle of the pack. I actually think my argument for the symp thing was reason to add pressure. Thyrr should have come up with an argument but fuck it...

 Thyrllan, on Nov 25 2008, 07:03 PM, said:

Oh yeah and he says something about the best case scenario being Kess as a symp, which seems a bit pointless as thats true whenever an innocent gets lynched and is a stupid way to play.
Then his final post is basically "oh that NK wasnt a total surprise, now im ill and will find it difficult to post much", so he has an excuse for staying low and out of the way (sorry if your really ill mate)
So yeah im finding it really hard to think of him as innocent at the moment, but im not totally convinced of killerness yet.

Actually that was my final two posts. People had already pointed out that it was more then likely that Bent killed a roled innocent. I was just tossing out the best case senario cause negitive thinking works in the killers advantage.

After rereading the thread I am left with Thyrllan, and Gamelon as my top two suspects with either Liosan or D'riss as the symp.

Therefore I am going to

Vote Thyrllan

This vote means nothing. Nothing. A total OMGUS vote. Suspicious, as stated below.

 Kaschan, on Nov 26 2008, 06:21 PM, said:

 Tennes, on Nov 26 2008, 01:37 PM, said:

 Kaschan, on Nov 26 2008, 05:22 PM, said:

How is it a OMGUS vote. Rashan voted for me not Thyrllan. If I had voted for Rashan then that would have been a OMGUS vote.

It's OMGUS because he was constantly saying that you were suspicious, and that seems to be your major reason for voting for him. That's what I meant, anyway.

 Kaschan, on Nov 26 2008, 05:22 PM, said:

Rashan didn't do any such thing as point out who was possible CI and VPI. Gamelon did that. If you doubt me take a look on pg 28.

As Rashan says, see post #428:

Rashan said:

Well, your pretty much VPI to me now, and Ano is PI. No point in voting either of you.

So, does that change your mind at all, or are you still thinking Gamelon is a likely symp?

EDITTED: For structure, crosspost with Thyrllan.

No that doesn't change my mind. I was refering to what was posted after night started not what was posted 4 pages earlier. I know that Rashan pointed that out earlier but he didn't point it out at night. Gamelon pointed it out at night. Now if we have lazy killer (happens) then they get an instant update as to who might be CI. That is what I find suspicious. The fact that Rashan pointed out that Ano was probably a CI after the fake ninja was only mildy suspicious. Just enough to make me note it but not enough to make me think that he might be scum.

Gamelon pointed out at night... This is clutching at straws.

 Kaschan, on Nov 26 2008, 06:37 PM, said:

Would people please stop saying that this and that is "classic behavior" of Scum / symp / WTF ever. Seriously there are so many different ways to play fucking roles that it isn't possible to keep track. By saying "Classic Behavior" all your doing is dumbing down your arguement cause you don't really have enough evidence for the arguement in the first place.

A Symp's job is to help his masters win the game using what ever means possible. THAT is what a fucking symps job is. Nothing else. There is no classic behavior. I agree that Liosan is supicious and if nessasary I would vote for him. But not cause of some made up fucking classic behavior.

I have become so tired of reading well a symp wouldn't do this and a killers don't act like that. BUllSHIT even people who have been killers several games in a row don't act the same from one fucking game to another. WHY cause it would be to much of a FUCKING giveaway. YOU look for connections inbetween people. How do you spot symps? If there bosses ass is on the fucking chopping block they will try to derail the train. If it is obvious that he is going to get lynched then they jump on the fucking train. You have to pay attention to the interaction between people ie who is defending who and what not.

Those of you who believe in Classic fucking Behavior can take that and shove it up your ass then pull it out of your nose and chop it up sniff it and then shit it.
End Rant

An attempt to make us all feel really fucking stupid. Arrogant, arrogant, arrogant. Telling us how to play. When there is no pressure on him, nor any symp comments on him. Unfortunatly I couldn't find the role post, but his vote for Thyrr was clearly a little OMGUS, and pointless besides, as no one was going to follow, as Thyrr had started to post content. So, I do think that this, coupled with my earlier argument, suggests he might be scum. The chance of a random person being scum(if there are all three scum left) is 30%. I think Kaschan is bordering on the 45% mark, because he's talking a lot, and saying nothing.
Had to remove a few quotes because I didnt have space. Hang on. If I get any names wrong, its becaus I'm trying to edit it to only the valuable parts.

[Path-Shaper]

Thanks Liosan. Apologies to all, I misread Driss's vote as the hammer, it's late, rashan said he was l-1, Driss voted and I posted the scene. I realised 20 seconds later I had made a mistake and deleted the scene. Unfortunately Liosan saw it, but agreed to proceed as if he hasnt, since it would be unfair on everyone for him to do otherwise.

Apologies again, scene coming up.

[Rashan]

Oh, FUCK IT, FUCKING CROSS POSTS. Bye, guys. Good luck, go kill some scum.

[Liosan]

Goodnight all, see you tommorow some time.
After work experience

Edit: See you Rashan.

This post has been edited by Liosan: 26 November 2008 - 10:50 PM

[Path-Shaper]

The fruit vendor sighed and rested his back against a tree. It has taken him the whole day to patch all the holes in his crate, all the time having to listen to his wife moan about the fact that he couldn't even be shot at with expensive bolts.

At least now he'd found a shady spot as far as possible from anywhere anyone would want to go. He'd even managed to find a mushroom he'd never seen before. It was bright pink with little blue spots all over it. No way anyone would buy it, but it might be worth something to an apothecary. The vendor smiled to himslef and dreamed of actual meat.

His reverie was rudely interrupted by the arrival of an out of breath townsperson, mumbling incoherently about cases and post-counts. "Can I help you?" asked the vendor. "You gotta hide me, they want my blood!".
"I dont really think I want to get involved in all this..."
"It's too late now, here they come."

A very, very angry group of people burst into the clearing. "There he is - get him!". Several of the mob jump forward and pin the stranger to the ground. "Alright, who has the rope?"
"I thought you did - you had some yesterday."
"No I had a pitchfork - you had the rope."
"so noone has rope."

The crowd looks around hopefully, but indeed, noone brought the rope. "Well, that's embarrassing, now what?" someone asks. "Does anyone have a squid?" someone else suggests.

The vendor clears his throat sheepishly and holds forth his pink and blue mushroom. "You could try this."
"What does it do?"
"Honestly, I have no idea."
"Good enough for me!" someone cries and stuffs the mushroom into the stranger's mouth. The stranger chokes a little, then swallows, a dreamy look appearing on his face.

"Awh man, this is some good shit. Your words - I can see them. They're different colours. It's beautiful. Thanks guys" and the stranger falls asleep.
"Is he dead?"
"I dunno"
Suddenly the stranger sits up, throwing off his attackers. "rofl w00t lol lol lol lmao imho rofl!!!!111!!!11" he cries, right before his stomach explodes.
Everyone is showered in blood, viscera, gore and masticated mushroom. The obligatory wheel rolls past.



Rashan (lisheo) is dead - he was inno

It is now night, you have 12 hours remaining.

Please send in and confirm any night actions.

Apologies again, I feel a right tit.

[Liosan]

I suggest we start a "Lets hate Cross-posts" group.
Then someone else could have a "We love cross-posts"
And another group could have a "Lets sit on the fence about cross-posts" group.

Anyhow, goodnight.

[Silanah]

 Kaschan, on Nov 26 2008, 08:10 PM, said:

 Fener, on Nov 26 2008, 04:00 PM, said:

A Few things here on Liosan, not as much as I would have liked. He really doesn't direct the votes any one way.. just kind of diffuses them... anyway here they are

 Liosan, on Nov 25 2008, 01:39 PM, said:

Since Rashan is refusing to defend, dont suppose you could say you're reasons sil, as you're guilty of the same thing, although to a lesser degree, it seemed to me.

Also, yeah, the ano death wasnt the most surprising death ever. The killers will want to keep people in, especially innos, who stir up confusion, not people who people are calling likely innocent, and who isnt being unhelpful or anything.

this looked like a possible hint to the killers. I hate when ppl state what the killers want to do. gives them ideas they might not have had ( though I am sure I am guilty of doing it at some point )

 Liosan, on Nov 25 2008, 01:53 PM, said:

Feners kinda starting to contribute.
Although you could say hes deliberately doing it, due to the pressure on low posters. Argh, the confusion.

Ive g2g soon anyway.

Ive decided that I dont want to lynch a low poster.
Not yet anyway.

If you're not going to contribute, then its almost impossible to judge you, and therefore, its just chance to find the killer.
Therefore, if you're not going to actually play the game, you may as well be treated as such.
If you're not going to play the game, it will just be chance we pick the right one.
If people think that this is how they want to win, fine, but if you win without playing, you dont deserve it.
So im going to play with the people who are playing.
And the people who are not, dont really deserve to win, and unless they start contrbuting there is hardly point in them playing.

I am in two minds.

I feel they deserve lynched.
I also think that doing so stops us, the ones who are actually trying, from playing, and so is a waste of time and enjoyment.

This bugged me. He is basically disregarding like 4-5 people playing this game because they are low posters. I can't speak for anyone else, but I play this game to a) have fun and to win (which really makes it fun ) Whether you like it or not, killers can play however they want, including laying low. Whether they deserve to win is irrelevant. If I ever get to play a killer I sure as hell am going to do everything in my power to win... right? If that means I lay low and let the spammers of the world draw attention to themselves then so be it. at the end of the day I go home with the win. I can see how, they might not get the most satisfaction out of the win as opposed to just running the show and playing the inno's for fools. but a win is a win is a win and to disregard these low posters because they don't play the way you would is asking for a loss, and I hate to play to lose. By saying that he is disregarding these players, whether intentional or not is symping a low laying killer. If you are inno, I would call you an innosymp

 Liosan, on Nov 25 2008, 02:02 PM, said:

Also, Silanah, I thought you're objection wasnt to being in the spotlight.
I thought it was that you two were only discussing each other in the spotlight.
There's quite a difference.

I am happy that you are looking at other people.
I just dont want everyone else to look at just other people, and forget you, both must be looked at.

I also hate people refusing to defend themselves.

Oh, and Rashan, who's voting Kaschan?

This seems like more drawing of attention away from low poster talk and back to the 2 alphas at the time. it really looks fishy, they never said they were going away, just that they were taking a break.... you know Sil... do you really think he is going to let people forget that Rash is his number 1 target?? Why not look elsewhere for the time being?

 Liosan, on Nov 25 2008, 02:31 PM, said:

Oh, and im not going on post count.
Call me old fashioned, but I base my suspicions on who I find most suspicious.
Not, who's posted how much.

Yes, exactly Rashan.
You've been "pulled into the spotlight".

After all the fuss I made, itd be a bit obvious of the two of you to stop contributing anyway.
As for not getting into that debate yourself, fine whatever.
But discouraging others from debating you and someone else. That just looks scummy.

Or is continuing to bring the same thing up over and over again scummy? Also he brings up again the fact that he woun't vote people based on vote count.... the only way to get non posters to talk is to threaten a lynch. (unless rl really does step in, see Kasch)

 Liosan, on Nov 25 2008, 02:39 PM, said:

We shouldnt ignore anyone. At all. Unless they are 100% CI.
Its just stupid.
We must look at everyone.
And Im gonna have to go to bed shortly.

And then he says this.... We shouldn't ignore anyone. really??? Before you stated that you were discounting all the low posters.


This combined with the lack of thought with the fake ninja claim which basically got a roled inno killed.. its hard not to see you as scum.

Uhhhh how do we know that Ano was a roled innocent. Was there a reveal that I missed If so could some one point me in its direction.

 Kaschan, on Nov 26 2008, 08:24 PM, said:

 Fener, on Nov 26 2008, 04:15 PM, said:

@ Kasch I assume she was roled based on the "You're a fucking idiot" comment by Gemomandaris. Thats the same reaction I would have had if I was a guard or vig. Regardless, it got an inno player killed.

That would have been my reply regardless of whether I was roled or not.

thse two posts in particular caught my eye. we know anomandaris was inno and have no way of knowing if she was roled or not. fener posted that liosan got a roled inno killed but no one brought it up, but i certainly thought - i hope they werent lovers or we are fucked and it lowered fener down my list. I didnt bring it up and the day passed on, but kaschan deliberately brought it up twice explaining why he brought it up. I cant help think he is pointing out a roled inno to his masters, if he was killer he could just pm. In my eyes there is no excuse for even hinting toward soemthing about a possible inno role, even if it is lovers when one has died.

The fact is fener is probbaly not roled, but drawing attention to this post is a deliberate attempt to imply he is. I can tsee it any other wya, killers dont get some role cf as far as i remeber? so why would you bring attention to it.

fuck the more i write about this the more i am tempted to change my vote

[Silanah]

wtf just happened????

ahh fuck, sorry lisheo

[Path-Shaper]

pah, it's all right to do a mistake from time to time alt. I don't think it affected the game, and after all, you've written the scenes saving me lots and lots of time

Anyways, it is night and we'd like your pms you dirty sluts you

Morgoth, consuming medicine in serious doses

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 26 November 2008 - 10:54 PM

[D'riss]

oh well, that was anticlimatic...
shit.
now I need a nap before pub.
guess not much to talk about till morning.

[Silanah]

not having a go mods just confused i started typing my case and when i came back it went from l-2 to death.

fuck it i am going to bed, hopefully night wont be long.

[Fener]

Son of a bitch... that sucks. This is turning into 32 all over again ; ;

[Path-Shaper]

 Fener, on Nov 27 2008, 12:01 AM, said:

Son of a bitch... that sucks. This is turning into 32 all over again ; ;

now now. Would you not call that a slight exageration? Like you know.. comparing DiBs endovement to that of King Kong or something?

[Fener]

lol, so slightly more than slight.. I just meant in terms of the inno's looking like a bunch of Monkeys fucking a football.

[D'riss]

ughh
sleep deprivation + food deprivatoin + beer = not a good mix

exam season means everyone has stuff to do, so no crazy outings on a Wednesday night

so I's back here, if someone decides they wanna talk during the night for some odd reason.

[Fener]

Quick check in, loollikes maybe one lurker. Anyone around?

[Kaschan]

Just going over what happened while I was gone. Looks like a serious cluster fuck. I am about to go to bed so really no time to talk.

Night.

[Fener]

Fair enough. I am out. Just want you all to know there is a high probability that I won't be around at all tomorrow. Thanksgiving over here and have a ton of family festivities to attend. I might be able to steal a few moments here and there, but doubtful. Just giving you warning now. I am not ducking out. I'll be back the following day. Time to eat some turkey. Ciao