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Posted 21 November 2008 - 11:37 PM

i always thoguh it was tiste like, piste (which i pronounced almost like pissed, oo, like pist(on))
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Posted 22 November 2008 - 01:01 AM

I alway pronounced it T- see like czar but diferent

Also Fuck swearing in fantasy books, its only needed if its historicaltype fantasy....in dungeons and dragons novels it would ruin many story lines...anything with dragons shouldn't have swears...yes even SE's fucking dragon's remark threw me, because I can't remember swearing in the previous books...kind of changed the whole fantasy world a bit for me...hoods balls...clever....fucking dragon....cop out IMHO.
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Posted 22 November 2008 - 12:22 PM

I like real swearing. Fake swearing is good if it's good (I like "Hood's/Fener's Balls") but everything in WoT is shite.

My favourite bit of swearing in the Malazan books was in RG (I think). Unfortunately I can't remember it that well, but it's where Toc is facing down an army and I think he's ruminating on whether he's destined to keep fighting and dying over and over again, or something. He just says, "Fuck that." It was exactly the right phrase for the situation, if you ask me.
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Posted 22 November 2008 - 12:45 PM

Wasn't that something like "the world wants me to be a soldier. Well fuck the world." This is a very inaccurate paraphrase but I believe this is the instance that you are referring to.
I think the "fucking dragon" was out of the ordinary and was slightly jarring, Toc the Younger's use of fuck was acceptable. I know this is hypocricy but the initial reaction and how much it seems to fit into "reality" dictate what should and should not be used.
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Posted 22 November 2008 - 01:24 PM

To be honest I'd much prefer English swearwords to made up ones (I'm excluding religious ones here because you don't want characters to be saying "Jesus Christ!" and the like in your fantasy world unless it's some kind of futuristic earth with swearwords from antiquity). Swear words do have meanings, after all, and surely if the author wants the character to evoke a comparison of something's to faeces, he should use "tastes like shit" as opposed to "tastes like dzomgahabbabibble"? That way the reader gets the effect that he might not have done if some made up word was used instead. Given that we would supposedly be reading a translation anyway, that seems like the right course of action to me.


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Posted 23 November 2008 - 12:35 PM

I believe toc says
"well the world can go fuck itself"
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Posted 23 November 2008 - 12:43 PM

Wasn't that Fiddler, in response the the world wanting him to be a soldier?
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Posted 23 November 2008 - 06:09 PM

hmmm, i thnik its toc when hes riding with the awl. meh my rg is in belfast, i'll check tomorrow
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Posted 23 November 2008 - 07:04 PM

It was definitely Toc. Anyway, point is, 'twas a cool bit of swearing :D
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