[Aptorian]

Abyss, on May 12 2009, 08:54 PM, said:

... these are probably the same people who thought having Sgt. Slaughter as a joe AND a wwf wrestler was just the bestest thing ever... it's amazing that i actually played sports as a child...

- Abyss, ...will just shut up now.

I was a big WWF fan back then and I LOVED Sgt Slaughter. He was fucking AWESOME... oh the waves of nostalgia.

I remember him always having feuds with the Iron Shiek... I think he was called, and that Russian dude. I also think he Teamed up with Hacksaw Jim Dugan or Hulk Hogan for a while.

Some times I wish I was horribly rich so that I could buy up all the late 70s to early 90s wrestling tapes, back when wrestling still pretended to be real and had wrestlers that could actually wrestle and didn't all weigh 300 pounds.

[Abyss]

just browsed the RESOLUTE comments at Warren Ellis' whitechapel.com forums... he sent Tunnel Rat up because Tunnel rat is based on Larry Hama and he liked the idea of Larry blowing up satellites in space. i love warren ellis SO MUCH.

See also:

WE: My take on Storm shadow is that he was a dick.
Fan: Actually, he was only working for Cobra to use them, Then he joined the Joes, then went rogue, rejoined Cobra and then became good again.
WE: Right... a dick.

Fan: What kind of ninja runs around wearing white???
WE: A dick ninja.


- Abyss, notes 'dick ninja' could also be a compliment...

[Aptorian]

I still don't quite understand how, when Stormshadow and Snake Eyes fight:

Spoiler

how does Snake Eye's knowing the 7 punch technique of bad ninja cliches supposedly save him from Stormshadows 6 punch technique of less awesome bad ninja cliches? I mean, his body makes a fucking crater in the hillside

Oh well, silly cartoons.

[Abyss]

Stop trying to apply your silly logic and reasoning to a story where people get hit so hard their clothes explode.

All that matters is that the fight scene is awesome.


- Abyss, "...will kill you my hands!!!!!"

[Ammanas]

Abyss, on May 13 2009, 09:40 AM, said:

Stop trying to apply your silly logic and reasoning to a story where people get hit so hard their clothes explode.

All that matters is that the fight scene is awesome.


- Abyss, "...will kill you my hands!!!!!"

Another win post for the Army.

- Ammanas, notes Apt might want to consider a final concession speech before Book 10.

[QuickTidal]

Different director, a different looking tone, Real deal looking Cobra operatives (with shiny faceplates), Lady Jaye, Flint, Jinx, no lips on Snake eyes, Original G.I. Joe Colton (Bruce Willis). Oh and The Rock, who I always dig.

This looks fucking hardcore. If a mod could change the thread title to reflect the sequel title (G.I. Joe Retaliation).

I never thought I'd be excited about the sequel, but I am.

[Use Of Weapons]

Hopes are high, despite Bruce Willis. And as long as Channing Tatum gets his shirt off, I'll be happy

[Aptorian]

UseOfWeapons, on 13 December 2011 - 11:53 AM, said:

Hopes are high, despite Bruce Willis.

What? Since when has the presence of Bruce Willis not made a film that much more enjoyable? Who doesn't like Bruce Willis?! What is this? I don't even.

Now the presence of the Rock on the other hand. I don't understand this guys career at all. After the Scorpion King he seemed to shy away from becoming a Stereo typical action hero and thus has starred in a bunch of strange stories and cooky roles. But then he chooses roles like the Sergeant in Doom (the only good thing about that film really) and now this role in a sequel to one of the worst action films made in the last decade. I don't get it. Has he lost a lot of money during the financial crisis or something?

There must be something special about this film for both Willis and the Rock to show up in the film. From the trailer this movie looks even stupider than the first film. Maybe they were just offered piles and piles of cash to show up and film it in.

Is it a sequel to the first film? I remember that illusion/hologram Cobra mercenary took over the Presidents place in the White House at the ending of the first one. Is that what is going on? He is using his influence to usurp power? He just willy nilly decides to assassinate an entire branch of the Military and then he gives over the power to Cobra. Just like that? Nobody in the White House or in the executive branch of the military opposes him? What in the fucking fuck. This is a manuscript straight out of Chuck Norris film from the 80s.

Also what is up with that stupid ninja fight on the side of a cliff face. WHY NOT JUST FUCKING SHOOT THEM WHEN THEY ARE STUCK THERE IN THE OPEN! YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE AN ELITE TERRORIST ARMY FOR FUCKS SAKE!

This post has been edited by Aptorius: 13 December 2011 - 12:15 PM

[QuickTidal]

Aptorius, on 13 December 2011 - 12:14 PM, said:

UseOfWeapons, on 13 December 2011 - 11:53 AM, said:

Hopes are high, despite Bruce Willis.

What? Since when has the presence of Bruce Willis not made a film that much more enjoyable? Who doesn't like Bruce Willis?! What is this? I don't even.

Now the presence of the Rock on the other hand. I don't understand this guys career at all. After the Scorpion King he seemed to shy away from becoming a Stereo typical action hero and thus has starred in a bunch of strange stories and cooky roles. But then he chooses roles like the Sergeant in Doom (the only good thing about that film really) and now this role in a sequel to one of the worst action films made in the last decade. I don't get it. Has he lost a lot of money during the financial crisis or something?

There must be something special about this film for both Willis and the Rock to show up in the film. From the trailer this movie looks even stupider than the first film. Maybe they were just offered piles and piles of cash to show up and film it in.

Is it a sequel to the first film? I remember that illusion/hologram Cobra mercenary took over the Presidents place in the White House at the ending of the first one. Is that what is going on? He is using his influence to usurp power? He just willy nilly decides to assassinate an entire branch of the Military and then he gives over the power to Cobra. Just like that? Nobody in the White House or in the executive branch of the military opposes him? What in the fucking fuck. This is a manuscript straight out of Chuck Norris film from the 80s.

Also what is up with that stupid ninja fight on the side of a cliff face. WHY NOT JUST FUCKING SHOOT THEM WHEN THEY ARE STUCK THERE IN THE OPEN! YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE AN ELITE TERRORIST ARMY FOR FUCKS SAKE!

First of all The Rock is awesome. Secondly, he has one of the most cherry lines in action films ever. The Scorpion King: "I've come for the woman, and your head!"

The first movie isn't terrible, but it's by no stretch good either. It's kind of middling schlock that entertained me on some level.

The quality level of the second film looks WAY higher. How you think this looks stupider than the first film boggles my mind.

It IS a sequel to the first film, and yes that is Zartan disguised as the president still. You don't know that he decides to assassinate anyone, and Apt I feel I must point out that no one in the German hierarchy had the foggiest clue who they were letting take over when Hitler rose to power. This sort of stuff happens. How about Saddam in Iraq? Many middle east leaders basically did this.

Lastly, Apt if you are ACTUALLY complaining about fucking NINJA's being fucking NINJA in this film, then you are barred, please hand your man pass back in, you are not allowed to see this film.

And what the fuck is wrong with Chuck Norris films from the 80'S? Those are the BEST!

Dude, you can have all the serious action movies that take into account every last detail and be bored to your fucking skull if you want, but when I go to the movies, sometimes I just want action candy, and ninja's fighting on a cliff face ranks highly on my list of awesomery.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 13 December 2011 - 01:40 PM

[Tapper]

QuickTidal, on 13 December 2011 - 01:38 PM, said:

I feel I must point out that no one in the German hierarchy had the foggiest clue who they were letting take over when Hitler rose to power.

Whut?
It is nowadays generally accepted that Hitler's political ideas and actions, including his role in the Beer hall Putsch, were known to the interested follower. Mein Kampf dates from 1924 (and while many may not have read it (from what I hear it is a really bad read), he had plenty of xenophobia, Gross-Deutschland rhetorics, hate for the Versailles Treaty and support of the Dolkstoss theory even then - it was a main selling point in his campaign).

Anyway: G.I. Joe imho works better without all the big names. It's about a team of soldiers, after all, not a bunch of stars. That being said, why they continue the franchise, I don't know. The first movie was far from awesome (and it already blew up half the world), cliffhanger ender excempted. But I guess it made a shitload of money...

This post has been edited by Tapper: 13 December 2011 - 03:04 PM

[QuickTidal]

Tapper, on 13 December 2011 - 03:03 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 13 December 2011 - 01:38 PM, said:

I feel I must point out that no one in the German hierarchy had the foggiest clue who they were letting take over when Hitler rose to power.

Whut?
It is nowadays generally accepted that Hitler's political ideas and actions, including his role in the Beer hall Putsch, were known to the interested follower. Mein Kampf dates from 1924 (and while many may not have read it (from what I hear it is a really bad read), he had plenty of xenophobia, Gross-Deutschland rhetorics, hate for the Versailles Treaty and support of the Dolkstoss theory even then - it was a main selling point in his campaign).

Anyway: G.I. Joe imho works better without all the big names. It's about a team of soldiers, after all, not a bunch of stars. That being said, why they continue the franchise, I don't know. The first movie was far from awesome (and it already blew up half the world), cliffhanger ender excempted. But I guess it made a shitload of money...

Re: Hitler. There is a difference between knowing someones beliefs, and seeing them come to power...and seeing the monster they eventually become. He would never have risen to power if he had initially presented as the monster he became. Sure he had effed up motivations, ideals and belief's from the get-go, but I think everyone will agree he became far more insane and sinister in the public eye as the years progressed. Read the book IN THE GARDEN OF BEASTS by Erik Larsen, which details the American Ambassador and his daughter watching in the 1930's as Hitler slowly rose to power and how it was all done so subtly that no one really noticed how bad it was until it was too late.

Dude. Let me tell you why they continue the franchise.

Remember BATMAN & ROBIN? Yeah, well then later we got BATMAN BEGINS and THE DARK KNIGHT.

Another example? Ang Lee's crappy HULK was followed later by the far superior THE INCREDIBLE HULK.

Refreshing a series and saving it from the crap that it may have been out of the gate or midway into a series is a GREAT thing to do.

Look at X-MEN, both it and X-MEN 2 were decent enough, X-MEN 3 was REALLY bad...and then X-MEN FIRST CLASS comes along and stomps ALL those films and proves that in the RIGHT hands a film franchise can be saved and done correctly.

That's why they continue the franchise, the hope that a new creative team will make a bad thing much better.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 13 December 2011 - 03:26 PM

[Abyss]

Never underestimate the power of name recognition.

Sometime in the near future we're getting a movie called BATTLESHIP - the reference is indeed to the legendary boardgame advertised for decades by irritating small children shouting 'YOU SUNK MY BATTLESHIP!', whereafter they pick up the board and break the other child's face screaming 'REMEMBER PEARLY HARBOUR YOU FUCKERS!!!', but i digress.... Liam Neeson is in that movie by the way. which tells you what kind of globs of cash a company will throw in when there's a familiar property somewhere in the background.

[Tapper]

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Re: Hitler. There is a difference between knowing someones beliefs, and seeing them come to power...and seeing the monster they eventually become. He would never have risen to power if he had initially presented as the monster he became. Sure he had effed up motivations, ideals and belief's from the get-go, but I think everyone will agree he became far more insane and sinister in the public eye as the years progressed. Read the book IN THE GARDEN OF BEASTS by Erik Larsen, which details the American Ambassador and his daughter watching in the 1930's as Hitler slowly rose to power and how it was all done so subtly that no one really noticed how bad it was until it was too late.

He had been part of a coup. That ought to have scared people away.

It doesn't get much less democratic than that. I'm at work and I can't really search for speeches by Adolf Hitler but there's ample evidence that it was fairly clear that the nazi's were of a brand of something especially bad. Hitler wasn't a wolf in sheep's clothing who misled the German people. He was a wolf from the start, the one thing people may not exactly have spotted was the froth of rabies surrounding his jaws.

Even if you take the bitterness and nationalism of the defeated country as well as the Versailles Treaty in mind for the general mood, the national socialists were highly, highly unpleasant and very undemocratic. Anti Jew measures started already in 1933 - and fairly much in the open.

Secondly, the honesty of any foreign western diginitary in Germany during the twenties and thirties is dubious at best. A Wir haben es nicht gewüsst stance benefitted more than just the generals and officers and men of the German Wehrmacht after the war - it is also what apologetic fig leaf remained for all those who minimalized the atrocities and survivor accounts that were already leaking out during the war, and the worsening climate inside Germany itself in the built-up. Memoires and diaries of political figures generally don't emphasize their ignorance but are fully intended to make a political and self-(pre)serving point.

As the prime representative of the American state, the ambassador had more benefit by covering up the slips than by showing he was aware but just couldn't convince his boss in the White House that this was BAD.

I just finished Max Hasting's All Hell Let Loose and am halfway through Beevor's Berlin, both of which showcase just how bad things were, how deep indoctrination ran, how in your face the signals had been, and how few of those signals were picked up by the West - and those just concern themselves with the military side, mostly.

[McLovin]

@QT & Tapper - you're getting WAY too serious for a GI Joe thread.

Gah, in spite of how the first film raped, murdered, and dismembered my childhood, I will probably go and see this one.

[QuickTidal]

Tapper, on 13 December 2011 - 04:12 PM, said:

He had been part of a coup. That ought to have scared people away.

But it didn't. Thus you prove my point. Thanks!

[Abyss]

Cobra Commander would have staged a WAY better coup.

- Abyss, thread judo redirection STRIKE HAI!!!

[QuickTidal]

Speaking of good old Cobra Commander. It's nice to finally see him in his proper chrome faceplate mask!

Cobra-lalalalalalalala

[McLovin]

QuickTidal, on 13 December 2011 - 04:39 PM, said:

Cobra-lalalalalalalala

Now see, that's where the cartoon jumped the shark. Cobra-la? Dumb idea. As was Serpentor, though the miniseries with his origin story (before the movie retconned Golobulus into it) was kinda cool.

If the movies go there, I'm definitely out.

[Abyss]

QuickTidal, on 13 December 2011 - 04:39 PM, said:

...Cobra-lalalalalalalala

Never happened. That's my story and i'm sticking to it.

- Abyss, notes that not knowing is half the battle.

[amphibian]

I quite liked Ang Lee's Hulk.

Didn't like the first G.I. Joe movie, despite being absolutely schnookered in the theaters while watching it - and had nachos with jalapenos/cheese too.

Adrienne Palicki looks good though. The Rock is generally pretty entertaining. The plot of this one looks kinda bad, but it depends on how it deals with the illogic - plenty of great action movies manage to keep the good will going despite extreme illogic.