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The Dude, on Oct 27 2008, 09:43 AM, said:

JA.... I thought I was the symp? Thats what you are saying I thought? How was I tricked? Either I am inno.. like you just said. or I am obdi's symp. You are going back and forth here. And there is no "They" its Obdi. He's who has me tricked if he really is guilty.

You answer your own question.

I see you took the hypothesis that you could be the symp as something very solid. The way I worded it was not as strong as you now make it to be. Interesting.

Or I insulted you, in which case wait until we are all alted, you'll see the stuff people will tell you

Yes, you could be the symp, that would explain why all of a sudden you have "convictions" where nothing forces you to. From those "conclusions" you come up with scenarios that involve me being a killer when I know I'm not, so excuse me if I think you're either in bad faith, or behaving strange.

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Jump Around, on Oct 26 2008, 12:53 PM, said:

I have no problem lynching Lisheo, although if the case is that he is my symp, then as I know myself to be inno that would be hypocryte of me. I'd rather Mocker or Baudin.

If he's a killer , he's fake-symping me, although I didn't see him derail trains from me or take attention away from me, what he did is sometimes agree with and follow me in votes. That's a first-degree symp case, a little easy to fabricate by a scum case-maker in a day we (most probably) REALLY need to lynch right.

The dude...Here JA was pushing for us to rather lynch Mocker or Bauden, so i doubt he is there symp
If anything he is symping lisheo

The Dude, on Oct 27 2008, 08:02 AM, said:

OK it was Lisheo, Mocker, JA, Lace, and Obdi.

I know I am making a huge Logic leap here by assuming Obdi is inno but I am willing to bet my game on it (and like i said, I will change my avatar to "Obdi's Bitch" for the next game If he is a killer)

That means That both Killers HAD to be on the Silencer train. That leaves Lish, Mocker, and JA. The way I see it, I think Lisheo and Mocker are the Killers and JA is Lish's symp. Thats why Lish was willing to vote JA. He said ..sorry for lack of quote here. I am Rolling.

"*/sigh* if he (JA) comes up inno I I know who I am coming after The Dude and Obdi" No shit! Cause he knows JA will come up inno and can then lead a charge against two other innos and have a great case!

Thats Why JA can be so confident when he say "when the CF shows me inno you know where to look" cause he will come up inno. and guess who he is pointing the finger at usually? Obdi. cause he is inno. This is really making sense to me.

OK 2 holes I see... I am assuming Baudin is innocent. This is a Big hole. And I am assuming Obdi is innocent. Not as big in my eyes. But in Every scenario I run... JA is scum. I say we hit him first if he is killer...yay, if he is inno and we keep playing we will know we have our last symp. We then go to night, lose me or Dkt. We won't lose Baudin or Obdi as they are the only ones shooting a hole in my plans. I will probably die, whatever it will be confirmation my plan is on the right track. Then whoever is left can get Mocker and Lish. If you remaining innos really buy my plan, we can take out mocker or Lish now. At anyrate, in all of my plans mocker and JA come up inno. Baudin and Lish are interchangable. Therefore

Vote Mocker

This theory is really based on too many gut feelings if you ask me, not saying its not the case. Just saying that there is a whole host of other possibility that could also be the case.
Just because a theory fits doesnt make it the truth.

Jump Around, on Oct 27 2008, 08:10 AM, said:

The Dude, on Oct 27 2008, 08:02 AM, said:

OK 2 holes I see... I am assuming Baudin is innocent. This is a Big hole. And I am assuming Obdi is innocent.

There you go again. So you're ready to make assumptions today? We have a whole thread of analysis to do, and stop with the voting dammit!!!!

Let us discuss, THEN we vote

1 inno vote 1 inno = lost game.

You also have a vote out there old bean

Jump Around, on Oct 27 2008, 08:48 AM, said:

OK, I hesitated a long time for this, but I think now is the time to do it. I see that my argument is that one of either me of Obdigore is scum (based on none of us being hammered by anyone).

I have a reveal to make, I vigged Dibs.

Yes, dibs, not Gem. I was very surprised to see the killers kill her, by the time I came back I realized that many assumed the other way around, so I decided to let it slide and stay silent.

NKing Gem was obviously a set-up NK, since she was involved in many arguments the day before, and that's the kind of players that are usually left alive. By leaving the fact that she wasn't vigged silent, I removed all the WIFOM associated with her kill, which wouldn't have helped us anyways.

I kept silent because I wanted to see if anyone would make a slip and say that "dibs got vigged" or "Gem got NKed" later in the game. That person making such a slip would have probably been a killer, and I could have used that to make a re-read and a proper case on that person. There's no other reason for a vig to stay silent otherwise, that's why I felt so awkward arguing with dktorode who was (rightfully) trying to get me to reveal.

Now, why did I vig Dibs? Well, we didn't get a lynch the day before, and we needed info. When dibs is a killer, he is a force of nature, I don't think he ever was lynched as scum. Making cases on him is so hard, that the only chance to kill him is by vig justice. He was also involved in many arguments, and his CF was important to get at that point. He was also behaving slightly off, for example when telling me I was probably inno. I don't see inno dibs giving anyone a break, specially not me, I thought he was sucking up to me so i don't look at him too hard.

All of those who said I "laid low", well I did because I was roled and didn't want to get lynched at the slightest hint of me doing something. After my vig kill I became RI and could play more relaxed, as you all saw.

Oh...christ...you reveal NOW?
You didnt reaveal at L-1 but you do so NOW?

This is exactly the type of weasel move you play when you are scum and smell a win. How am i supposed to believe you?
You could have easily deduced that the vig must have died since he would have revealed by now and you could be trying to PI yourself.

Bloody hell

[The Dude]

OK guys... I laid down and tried to calm down. JA is right. Assuming obdigore is innocent is a mistake. I will go back and look at Lish and Obdi and see if I can get something concrete on either one. I got really worked up there for a sec. and I apoligise if I came across as a spaz. I now hate this game again... lol really really going to bed now. back in 7 hours.

and JA I don't think you are a killer... just a symp

At anyrate if I lose this game for my team I am going to feel aweful. I haven't once been truly convinced of anything till now and If I am wrong I am going to look like the biggest amateur ever. Wow its a bitch sticking your neck out...but, no guts no glory

Damn you obdi... damn you to hell!!!!!!!!!!!

This post has been edited by The Dude: 27 October 2008 - 08:13 AM

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Sigh....well baudin leaving his vote on JA is well dodgy.
If JA and bauden are both inno, then we have lost this game i think.

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dktorode, on Oct 27 2008, 10:09 AM, said:

Oh...christ...you reveal NOW?
You didnt reaveal at L-1 but you do so NOW?

This is exactly the type of weasel move you play when you are scum and smell a win. How am i supposed to believe you?
You could have easily deduced that the vig must have died since he would have revealed by now and you could be trying to PI yourself.

Bloody hell

Honestly, if I had revealed like you did, the day after the vig, everyone would have fucking lynched me on the fact that I'm the Weasel, no matter the probabilities.

I knew when I got my role I could never reveal it to save my ass. I kept silent after my vig to see if a killer would slip about the true vig and nK targets. If they did, I would have made a case (NOT based on me revealing, of course), and pushed it with all I have.

It didn't happen. I'm not doing it now to save my ass, but to give you all the information I have in this game.

Edit: if I had revealed at L-1, the hammer would have come with a "HAHAHA Desperate Loser" comment, my inno CF would have of course convinced all of you I'm the symp, and screw the rest of the game. Better to shut up, IMO

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And by the way, anyone realizes that EVERYONE has posted since Baudin's "vote and go to bed" post?

I see his gambit failed, he must be scum.

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Jump Around, on Oct 27 2008, 10:27 AM, said:

And by the way, anyone realizes that EVERYONE has posted since Baudin's "vote and go to bed" post?

I see his gambit failed, he must be scum.

really?

Seems if he is scum then the rest of team scum are obviously waiting for an inno to place there vote on you.

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dktorode, on Oct 27 2008, 10:30 AM, said:

Jump Around, on Oct 27 2008, 10:27 AM, said:

And by the way, anyone realizes that EVERYONE has posted since Baudin's "vote and go to bed" post?

I see his gambit failed, he must be scum.

really?

Seems if he is scum then the rest of team scum are obviously waiting for an inno to place there vote on you.

Exactly, if he was inno the scum wouldn't need that extra vote.

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Jump Around, on Oct 27 2008, 10:31 AM, said:

dktorode, on Oct 27 2008, 10:30 AM, said:

Jump Around, on Oct 27 2008, 10:27 AM, said:

And by the way, anyone realizes that EVERYONE has posted since Baudin's "vote and go to bed" post?

I see his gambit failed, he must be scum.

really?

Seems if he is scum then the rest of team scum are obviously waiting for an inno to place there vote on you.

Exactly, if he was inno the scum wouldn't need that extra vote.

The only other possibility is that you are scum.
I think it has to be down to you or baudin today...simply because of that vote.
Either you, or baudin must be scum.

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Hence my vote, because I know about myself.

Anything I can tell you won't help that much, unless you have questions about a specific behavior of mine.

I think even if I give you a mod-signed certificate that I'm inno nobody will believe it

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Man this game was uselessly hard.

I didn't get my "Weasel" name from back-stabbing my own team, or from being often scum. Actually, in the normal games, I was scum only 3 or 4 times, and the only one I won was the Psych game. All the rest I was the first one to go and get lynched, that's how good a scum I am

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These are baudins posts after silencer is put on l-1

baudin, on Oct 25 2008, 05:45 PM, said:

That puts Silencer at L-1 right? Damn im not sure whether hes guilty now, will consider it a bit before i put the hammer down.

baudin, on Oct 25 2008, 07:29 PM, said:

I think were all trying to consider it carefully before taking the jump and hammering him because if hes inno then, Worst case scenario we still have 4 Scum around and we lose.
Saying that im starting to lean against him but im still not totally sure.
You goin to hammer him then?

baudin, on Oct 25 2008, 07:47 PM, said:

I know you voted already, I was just asking if you were considering putting the hammer down on Silencer?
Im not sure and am wondering what other poeples thoughts on him are

baudin, on Oct 25 2008, 08:20 PM, said:

wth was that last post ?

baudin, on Oct 25 2008, 08:32 PM, said:

Well il be going out soon , am very tempted to put the hammer down before i go, if just to get the game moving again. Silencer is seeming a bit suspicious but i cant quite put my finger on why atm

baudin, on Oct 25 2008, 08:51 PM, said:

AS there is no rush ive decided to leave my decision till i get back. Im off now will maybe be back later tonight but more likely tomorrow morning

Is it just me or does it seem that he is fishing for someone else to hammer so that he doesnt have to do the dirty deed?

Ob1 comes in and does it, calls him a pussy. But i think he might have been too scared because we would be looking at this inno lynch train quite hard.

Obdigore, on Oct 25 2008, 10:59 PM, said:

remove vote
Vote Silencer

There, pussys, its done.

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I could make a good case on Baudin but there's no point. Anyways, I doubt it's my arguments that will convince anyone. Plus, I voted him saying that either he's scum or we lost anyways, he's in bed and can't remove his vote before everyone shows up. Since then everyone did show up, and here I am still alive, so now I know.

Not knowing Baudin is a new player, he would have been under much more pressure, and might have been lynched for his behavior before today. I'm partly to blame for that, I cut the n00bs too much slack also.

My game has been the one of an inno. As a "proof", my main opinions, stances and comments were repeated later in thread by dktorode, who is by now, a CI. It's possible for a scum to sound inno or do something inno at this or that moment, but to do it all game? That counts as an additional inno player in that case

One mistake I made was to vig dibs. Well, those who know him and his attitude when he's a vig won't cry for him too long. For the rest, despite some player's attempts to put all the inno lynches on me, I never really got my number 1 choice for the day, at any time. Even Vengeance, who was my number one choice earlier in the game, felt to number 2 behind Obdi the day we lynched him. And of course my targets evolved, as we got new information in the game.

Anyways, I'm doing my job, convincing you not to lynch me. I just hope it will work and that nobody will comment, on thread or to spoiler heaven, that they rather lynch me wrong and lose than lynch Baudin wrong and get the Weasel to win. That's lame.

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if baudin is scum...the only person i can see as his partner is lisheo.

Everyone else that i can see that could be paired with him are dead. The rest have seemed to want to lynch baudin at one stage or another.

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dktorode, on Oct 27 2008, 11:09 AM, said:

if baudin is scum...the only person i can see as his partner is lisheo.

Everyone else that i can see that could be paired with him are dead. The rest have seemed to want to lynch baudin at one stage or another.

Well, it's easy to say you want to lynch someone. It's a CF game, let's not be naive. He was never in any real danger that I can remember.

[dktorode]

looks like we gonna have to wait for everyone to arrive....sigh

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At least Lisheo shouldn't be far, if he got over his hangover

I'm curious to hear what he has to say, if he is indeed a potential Baudin partner.

Edit: I just realized that if Lisheo is inno, he's fucked no matter what. He was connected as partner to the both of us, so if choses wrong, he loses. If he chooses right, after the guilty CF he'll be accused of dissociation and get lynched tomorrow, and we're in the same position as right now.

I almost hope for him he's scum

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The Dude, on Oct 27 2008, 08:53 AM, said:

WOW this is fucking amazing. My heart is going a mile a minute. How in hell do you get a rush from a computer game. I now love this game and am hooked for life. Now I know why you all play this. Good night fellas. This has been AMAZING!

Lol at this by the way

I'm not sure what to make of it, since I usually feel like that when I'm pulling one on you guys more than when I think I'm right about something, but welcome to the addiction, junkie

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Lonely DiscoWeasel is lonely


By the way, this absolutely blanks all the suspicions of innocence and guilt I had until now on players other than Baudin. I hope the same for everyone

If I(or someone else, who knows) manage to convince you all to lynch him (a big if, I'm not sure how I will manage that), then we'll have guilty CF, which is the most awesome information you can get in a non-finder game.

Re-reading the thread with that in mind will expose information we never saw before. I don't plan to do it today in case you lynch me and we lose anyways, but for sure a full re-read will follow. I don't care if it's 3000 posts and it takes us a couple hours, we came to play so we should to the effort. Please don't persist in your current theories until you do that too.

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Jump Around, on Oct 27 2008, 11:54 AM, said:

Lonely DiscoWeasel is lonely


By the way, this absolutely blanks all the suspicions of innocence and guilt I had until now on players other than Baudin. I hope the same for everyone

If I(or someone else, who knows) manage to convince you all to lynch him (a big if, I'm not sure how I will manage that), then we'll have guilty CF, which is the most awesome information you can get in a non-finder game.

Re-reading the thread with that in mind will expose information we never saw before. I don't plan to do it today in case you lynch me and we lose anyways, but for sure a full re-read will follow. I don't care if it's 3000 posts and it takes us a couple hours, we came to play so we should to the effort. Please don't persist in your current theories until you do that too.

assuming Baudin is guilty, ive looked over the last few days and can honestly only really see lish as his partner.
But if we do get a killer result on a baudin lynch, a more thorough look will definitely be on the cards.