[Aptorian]

kud13;265665 said:

hmmm... then why hasn't Rake Dragnipur'ed ST yet?

Why should Rake kebab ST? Killing the god of a warren is never a good thing, there's repercusions to consider.

And please lets not get into a Rake vs ST discussion again. People just expect that Rake sticks a sword into ST like the old dude just stands there taking it while the other side claims that ST would unleash an army of demons, hounds and on top of that throw the full force of the raw power of the warren into the face of Rake.

They have no reason to fight right now, so everything is good.

[Mentalist]

well, it WOULD explain him being at the Chainings, but no mentioning of Kellanved/ST there...

personally though, i think it has more to do with the fact that every ruler of Shadow would eventually try to remake KE to get more power and ran into an unfortunate end by doing so....

[caladanbrood]

My theory is actually that Dancer was a previous occupant of the throne himself, and in reality ascended long ago - he was simply grooming Kellanved for the role after he was in some way deposed.

On the other hand, this is probably well into the "crazy theories" category

[caladanbrood]

Quote

A smile entered Rake's tone. 'Convince him of the wise course, Shadowthrone. I have no patience for your games. If I am pushed, by either you, your Hounds, or by the Rope, I'll make no distinction. I will assail the Shadow Realm, and you are invited to try to stop me.'

And Ammanas at least took him at his word and thought he might be able to carry out his threat, because Dancer left, obviously.

[Mentalist]

Zanth13;265691 said:

in GOTM Rake was not sure he would even survive a fight with shadowthrone, especially with The rope any where near...

I imagine his chances would be even less in Shadowthrones own warren...

yet, (and correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't read GotM in ages)

Did he not threaten to come down into the shadow realm and mess someone up, if Cotillion didn't de-posess Sorry pronto?

[Mentalist]

I can tell you rigth now, he prolly doesn't....

[Ammanas]

I want a novella or novel about ST/Cot's travels thru azaths and warrens. You think SE will take personal requests?

[Dancer+]

caladanbrood;265704 said:

And Ammanas at least took him at his word and thought he might be able to carry out his threat, because Dancer left, obviously.

Shadowthrone, Cotillion and the Hounds should have all attacked at once. That would have been a highly amusing prospect.

[Aptorian]

Who know's but Erikson?

Shadow, from what we're seeing, is always in the midst of things. Everything is connected to the place as shadow overlaps every time and space. It's never good to be a prominent ascendant.

[Ammanas]

In the epilogue, ST/Cot meet Edgewalker. After they leave, we get this.

P 279, "How long, he wondered, would this one last? Why was it none of the long chain of hopefuls ever bothered to ask why the Throne should be empty in the first place? After all, perhaps there was a reason."

Theories anyone?

[pastures]

The powers that shattered and emptied KE are still around and are supremely powerful, and want to keep KE the way it is so that the rightful rulers cannot use it to spread their evil.

[Zanth13]

kud13;265665 said:

hmmm... then why hasn't Rake Dragnipur'ed ST yet?

in GOTM Rake was not sure he would even survive a fight with shadowthrone, especially with The rope any where near...

I imagine his chances would be even less in Shadowthrones own warren...

[caladanbrood]

Because he hasn't ventured into KE maybe... he's just stuck to Meanas so far, as far as we know.

[Mentalist]

hmmm... then why hasn't Rake Dragnipur'ed ST yet?

[Aptorian]

kud13;265665 said:

hmmm... then why hasn't Rake Dragnipur'ed ST yet?

Why should Rake kebab ST? Killing the god of a warren is never a good thing, there's repercusions to consider.

And please lets not get into a Rake vs ST discussion again. People just expect that Rake sticks a sword into ST like the old dude just stands there taking it while the other side claims that ST would unleash an army of demons, hounds and on top of that throw the full force of the raw power of the warren into the face of Rake.

They have no reason to fight right now, so everything is good.

[Mentalist]

well, it WOULD explain him being at the Chainings, but no mentioning of Kellanved/ST there...

personally though, i think it has more to do with the fact that every ruler of Shadow would eventually try to remake KE to get more power and ran into an unfortunate end by doing so....

[caladanbrood]

My theory is actually that Dancer was a previous occupant of the throne himself, and in reality ascended long ago - he was simply grooming Kellanved for the role after he was in some way deposed.

On the other hand, this is probably well into the "crazy theories" category

[caladanbrood]

Quote

A smile entered Rake's tone. 'Convince him of the wise course, Shadowthrone. I have no patience for your games. If I am pushed, by either you, your Hounds, or by the Rope, I'll make no distinction. I will assail the Shadow Realm, and you are invited to try to stop me.'

And Ammanas at least took him at his word and thought he might be able to carry out his threat, because Dancer left, obviously.

[Mentalist]

Zanth13;265691 said:

in GOTM Rake was not sure he would even survive a fight with shadowthrone, especially with The rope any where near...

I imagine his chances would be even less in Shadowthrones own warren...

yet, (and correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't read GotM in ages)

Did he not threaten to come down into the shadow realm and mess someone up, if Cotillion didn't de-posess Sorry pronto?

[Mentalist]

I can tell you rigth now, he prolly doesn't....