[Old Hunch Arbat]

On pp 155-157 (Canadian paperback) there is described a scene where Baruk and Crone are talking about, among other things, the demon Baruk has summoned. Much is suggested about this demon, but even more is, unfuriatingly, not. So I'll list what I assume, but am much more interested in what you others have concluded about this creature, Baruk, and Crone. And what I know is very limited. My questions are legion.

1. Baruk is VERY powerful.

2. This creatue is actually from the Crippled God's realm, not just a CG devotee...

Quote

'Yes. The demon is from the realm of the Fallen One. His birthplace.'

3. There is a suggestion that the true form of the demon is actually human, and that this is not simply a case of the demon has posessing a human form already extant on the Malaz world (I HATE the term "Wu").

Quote

'Its body is very far away indeed. I was granted an image of the flesh - a human. as far as I could tell, which is in itself rather extraordinary.'

This in turn suggests that the realm from which the CG has been pulled is populated by a number of creature types including humans. This lends creedance to the opinions that others have had about the CG's origins - i.e. simply from a different plane of existence/realm, not necessarily from a different planet or from "Outer Space." In fact the CG could come from, not to overly belabor the imagery, "Inner Space."

4. Baruk has had assistance in capturing this demon/human. It appears to have been physically incapacitated - which might have been coincidental to Baruk's capturing of the soul, or perhaps a necessary prerequisite to its control. And Crone tells Baruk...

Quote

'So send him back, yes, so that he can begin to repair all the severed tendons..'

And the manner of its/his incapacitation (severing tendons) evokes, for me, the actions of Brys Beddict, when he dismantled Rhulad and the nasty sword. Although I'm sure he's not the only one capable of severing tendons, that this incapacitating has been so deliberate suggests a swordsman of considerable skill...perhaps Rake himself?

And then there are the questions and the crazy theories.

When Crone and Baruk talk obliquely about Shadowthrone's visit Crone asks if Baruk's visitor "sat in a chair." Now this may simply have been a pun on Shadowthrone's name however the question made me wonder if perhaps there is actually a throne that the Darujistan tyrant must occupy in order to fully invoke his power - as was required of Shadowthrone if he was to control the T'lan Imass. Perhaps it is then the Seguleh that he then gains authority over/commands?

The decription of the demon's soul unveiled includes...

Quote

...its jade eyes, its jagged traceries of crackling filaments, pulsing like a slowed heart.

I feel as if I should be able to deduce something from this description, but aside from the "jade eyes" I can conclude nothing. Any ideas?

And finally, given that Crone is actually a derivative of the Crippled God, a maggot-equivalent if you will, I cannot understand why Crone finds any aspect of the magical emanation from this demon in any way foul. She recognizes...

Quote

...that which came from the demon was foul, alien - yet, the Great Raven knew, not quite as alien as it should be. Not to her and her kind, that is.

Shouldn't emanations from this demon feel entirely good and familiar, and in no way foul? Perhaps I've misread the relationship between the CG and the Great Ravens, but the question, nevertheless, remains.

I'm looking forward to your answers and theories.

OHA.

[Grief]

As to the foulness it could just be because he uses a different form or warren from the CG.

To the jaghut, perhaps Telann feels foul. To the andii we are told that light does, so therefore Kurald Thryllan/Liosan or whatever its being called. They are all of the same universe.

Perhaps it is that.

Or perhaps crone has become accustomed to life in this dimension.

Baruk isnt necessarily massively powerful. He didnt seem to find it, as the demon was meditating, trying to get there anyway, he just found him and caught him. Not necessarily massively powerful.

We are told people in the CGs realm are looking for him. Before he was torn from there, he was one of their gods. If it happened to another god, say shadowthrone, is it wild speculation to assume they would look for him?

That humans are there is possible. After all, if his realm is accesible one way, why not the other. If he can come from there to here, why not the reverse?

My thoughts for now.

[Old Hunch Arbat]

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We are told people in the CGs realm are looking for him. Before he was torn from there, he was one of their gods.

Are we told this specifically? If so, and if you remember where could you locate it and tell me the page numbers - or just approximately where, and in which book? Is this the part where Heboric sees all the folks drifting through space in jade watcha-ma-call-its? As you can tell my recall of this event is crystal clear.

OHA

[Grief]

"A naive god, ripped down from his own realm" or somesuch.

MoI prologue.

[Abyss]

The Great Ravens were 'born' in the MW, so things originating from the CG's home may still feel alien to them. Or there may be an aspect to that other world that is just utterly opposed to the MW, or perhaps corrupted.

The demon itself was an interesting element - suggests the CG's home is moving from the 'passive' sending of big jolly jade giant chunks to actively sending agents to find him.


- Abyss, quoth the raven, 'Holy Fnck!'...

[Old Hunch Arbat]

On pp 155-157 (Canadian paperback) there is described a scene where Baruk and Crone are talking about, among other things, the demon Baruk has summoned. Much is suggested about this demon, but even more is, unfuriatingly, not. So I'll list what I assume, but am much more interested in what you others have concluded about this creature, Baruk, and Crone. And what I know is very limited. My questions are legion.

1. Baruk is VERY powerful.

2. This creatue is actually from the Crippled God's realm, not just a CG devotee...

Quote

'Yes. The demon is from the realm of the Fallen One. His birthplace.'

3. There is a suggestion that the true form of the demon is actually human, and that this is not simply a case of the demon has posessing a human form already extant on the Malaz world (I HATE the term "Wu").

Quote

'Its body is very far away indeed. I was granted an image of the flesh - a human. as far as I could tell, which is in itself rather extraordinary.'

This in turn suggests that the realm from which the CG has been pulled is populated by a number of creature types including humans. This lends creedance to the opinions that others have had about the CG's origins - i.e. simply from a different plane of existence/realm, not necessarily from a different planet or from "Outer Space." In fact the CG could come from, not to overly belabor the imagery, "Inner Space."

4. Baruk has had assistance in capturing this demon/human. It appears to have been physically incapacitated - which might have been coincidental to Baruk's capturing of the soul, or perhaps a necessary prerequisite to its control. And Crone tells Baruk...

Quote

'So send him back, yes, so that he can begin to repair all the severed tendons..'

And the manner of its/his incapacitation (severing tendons) evokes, for me, the actions of Brys Beddict, when he dismantled Rhulad and the nasty sword. Although I'm sure he's not the only one capable of severing tendons, that this incapacitating has been so deliberate suggests a swordsman of considerable skill...perhaps Rake himself?

And then there are the questions and the crazy theories.

When Crone and Baruk talk obliquely about Shadowthrone's visit Crone asks if Baruk's visitor "sat in a chair." Now this may simply have been a pun on Shadowthrone's name however the question made me wonder if perhaps there is actually a throne that the Darujistan tyrant must occupy in order to fully invoke his power - as was required of Shadowthrone if he was to control the T'lan Imass. Perhaps it is then the Seguleh that he then gains authority over/commands?

The decription of the demon's soul unveiled includes...

Quote

...its jade eyes, its jagged traceries of crackling filaments, pulsing like a slowed heart.

I feel as if I should be able to deduce something from this description, but aside from the "jade eyes" I can conclude nothing. Any ideas?

And finally, given that Crone is actually a derivative of the Crippled God, a maggot-equivalent if you will, I cannot understand why Crone finds any aspect of the magical emanation from this demon in any way foul. She recognizes...

Quote

...that which came from the demon was foul, alien - yet, the Great Raven knew, not quite as alien as it should be. Not to her and her kind, that is.

Shouldn't emanations from this demon feel entirely good and familiar, and in no way foul? Perhaps I've misread the relationship between the CG and the Great Ravens, but the question, nevertheless, remains.

I'm looking forward to your answers and theories.

OHA.

[Grief]

As to the foulness it could just be because he uses a different form or warren from the CG.

To the jaghut, perhaps Telann feels foul. To the andii we are told that light does, so therefore Kurald Thryllan/Liosan or whatever its being called. They are all of the same universe.

Perhaps it is that.

Or perhaps crone has become accustomed to life in this dimension.

Baruk isnt necessarily massively powerful. He didnt seem to find it, as the demon was meditating, trying to get there anyway, he just found him and caught him. Not necessarily massively powerful.

We are told people in the CGs realm are looking for him. Before he was torn from there, he was one of their gods. If it happened to another god, say shadowthrone, is it wild speculation to assume they would look for him?

That humans are there is possible. After all, if his realm is accesible one way, why not the other. If he can come from there to here, why not the reverse?

My thoughts for now.

[Old Hunch Arbat]

Quote

We are told people in the CGs realm are looking for him. Before he was torn from there, he was one of their gods.

Are we told this specifically? If so, and if you remember where could you locate it and tell me the page numbers - or just approximately where, and in which book? Is this the part where Heboric sees all the folks drifting through space in jade watcha-ma-call-its? As you can tell my recall of this event is crystal clear.

OHA

[Grief]

"A naive god, ripped down from his own realm" or somesuch.

MoI prologue.

[Abyss]

The Great Ravens were 'born' in the MW, so things originating from the CG's home may still feel alien to them. Or there may be an aspect to that other world that is just utterly opposed to the MW, or perhaps corrupted.

The demon itself was an interesting element - suggests the CG's home is moving from the 'passive' sending of big jolly jade giant chunks to actively sending agents to find him.


- Abyss, quoth the raven, 'Holy Fnck!'...

[Old Hunch Arbat]

On pp 155-157 (Canadian paperback) there is described a scene where Baruk and Crone are talking about, among other things, the demon Baruk has summoned. Much is suggested about this demon, but even more is, unfuriatingly, not. So I'll list what I assume, but am much more interested in what you others have concluded about this creature, Baruk, and Crone. And what I know is very limited. My questions are legion.

1. Baruk is VERY powerful.

2. This creatue is actually from the Crippled God's realm, not just a CG devotee...

Quote

'Yes. The demon is from the realm of the Fallen One. His birthplace.'

3. There is a suggestion that the true form of the demon is actually human, and that this is not simply a case of the demon has posessing a human form already extant on the Malaz world (I HATE the term "Wu").

Quote

'Its body is very far away indeed. I was granted an image of the flesh - a human. as far as I could tell, which is in itself rather extraordinary.'

This in turn suggests that the realm from which the CG has been pulled is populated by a number of creature types including humans. This lends creedance to the opinions that others have had about the CG's origins - i.e. simply from a different plane of existence/realm, not necessarily from a different planet or from "Outer Space." In fact the CG could come from, not to overly belabor the imagery, "Inner Space."

4. Baruk has had assistance in capturing this demon/human. It appears to have been physically incapacitated - which might have been coincidental to Baruk's capturing of the soul, or perhaps a necessary prerequisite to its control. And Crone tells Baruk...

Quote

'So send him back, yes, so that he can begin to repair all the severed tendons..'

And the manner of its/his incapacitation (severing tendons) evokes, for me, the actions of Brys Beddict, when he dismantled Rhulad and the nasty sword. Although I'm sure he's not the only one capable of severing tendons, that this incapacitating has been so deliberate suggests a swordsman of considerable skill...perhaps Rake himself?

And then there are the questions and the crazy theories.

When Crone and Baruk talk obliquely about Shadowthrone's visit Crone asks if Baruk's visitor "sat in a chair." Now this may simply have been a pun on Shadowthrone's name however the question made me wonder if perhaps there is actually a throne that the Darujistan tyrant must occupy in order to fully invoke his power - as was required of Shadowthrone if he was to control the T'lan Imass. Perhaps it is then the Seguleh that he then gains authority over/commands?

The decription of the demon's soul unveiled includes...

Quote

...its jade eyes, its jagged traceries of crackling filaments, pulsing like a slowed heart.

I feel as if I should be able to deduce something from this description, but aside from the "jade eyes" I can conclude nothing. Any ideas?

And finally, given that Crone is actually a derivative of the Crippled God, a maggot-equivalent if you will, I cannot understand why Crone finds any aspect of the magical emanation from this demon in any way foul. She recognizes...

Quote

...that which came from the demon was foul, alien - yet, the Great Raven knew, not quite as alien as it should be. Not to her and her kind, that is.

Shouldn't emanations from this demon feel entirely good and familiar, and in no way foul? Perhaps I've misread the relationship between the CG and the Great Ravens, but the question, nevertheless, remains.

I'm looking forward to your answers and theories.

OHA.

[Grief]

As to the foulness it could just be because he uses a different form or warren from the CG.

To the jaghut, perhaps Telann feels foul. To the andii we are told that light does, so therefore Kurald Thryllan/Liosan or whatever its being called. They are all of the same universe.

Perhaps it is that.

Or perhaps crone has become accustomed to life in this dimension.

Baruk isnt necessarily massively powerful. He didnt seem to find it, as the demon was meditating, trying to get there anyway, he just found him and caught him. Not necessarily massively powerful.

We are told people in the CGs realm are looking for him. Before he was torn from there, he was one of their gods. If it happened to another god, say shadowthrone, is it wild speculation to assume they would look for him?

That humans are there is possible. After all, if his realm is accesible one way, why not the other. If he can come from there to here, why not the reverse?

My thoughts for now.

[Old Hunch Arbat]

Quote

We are told people in the CGs realm are looking for him. Before he was torn from there, he was one of their gods.

Are we told this specifically? If so, and if you remember where could you locate it and tell me the page numbers - or just approximately where, and in which book? Is this the part where Heboric sees all the folks drifting through space in jade watcha-ma-call-its? As you can tell my recall of this event is crystal clear.

OHA

[Grief]

"A naive god, ripped down from his own realm" or somesuch.

MoI prologue.

[Abyss]

The Great Ravens were 'born' in the MW, so things originating from the CG's home may still feel alien to them. Or there may be an aspect to that other world that is just utterly opposed to the MW, or perhaps corrupted.

The demon itself was an interesting element - suggests the CG's home is moving from the 'passive' sending of big jolly jade giant chunks to actively sending agents to find him.


- Abyss, quoth the raven, 'Holy Fnck!'...

[Old Hunch Arbat]

On pp 155-157 (Canadian paperback) there is described a scene where Baruk and Crone are talking about, among other things, the demon Baruk has summoned. Much is suggested about this demon, but even more is, unfuriatingly, not. So I'll list what I assume, but am much more interested in what you others have concluded about this creature, Baruk, and Crone. And what I know is very limited. My questions are legion.

1. Baruk is VERY powerful.

2. This creatue is actually from the Crippled God's realm, not just a CG devotee...

Quote

'Yes. The demon is from the realm of the Fallen One. His birthplace.'

3. There is a suggestion that the true form of the demon is actually human, and that this is not simply a case of the demon has posessing a human form already extant on the Malaz world (I HATE the term "Wu").

Quote

'Its body is very far away indeed. I was granted an image of the flesh - a human. as far as I could tell, which is in itself rather extraordinary.'

This in turn suggests that the realm from which the CG has been pulled is populated by a number of creature types including humans. This lends creedance to the opinions that others have had about the CG's origins - i.e. simply from a different plane of existence/realm, not necessarily from a different planet or from "Outer Space." In fact the CG could come from, not to overly belabor the imagery, "Inner Space."

4. Baruk has had assistance in capturing this demon/human. It appears to have been physically incapacitated - which might have been coincidental to Baruk's capturing of the soul, or perhaps a necessary prerequisite to its control. And Crone tells Baruk...

Quote

'So send him back, yes, so that he can begin to repair all the severed tendons..'

And the manner of its/his incapacitation (severing tendons) evokes, for me, the actions of Brys Beddict, when he dismantled Rhulad and the nasty sword. Although I'm sure he's not the only one capable of severing tendons, that this incapacitating has been so deliberate suggests a swordsman of considerable skill...perhaps Rake himself?

And then there are the questions and the crazy theories.

When Crone and Baruk talk obliquely about Shadowthrone's visit Crone asks if Baruk's visitor "sat in a chair." Now this may simply have been a pun on Shadowthrone's name however the question made me wonder if perhaps there is actually a throne that the Darujistan tyrant must occupy in order to fully invoke his power - as was required of Shadowthrone if he was to control the T'lan Imass. Perhaps it is then the Seguleh that he then gains authority over/commands?

The decription of the demon's soul unveiled includes...

Quote

...its jade eyes, its jagged traceries of crackling filaments, pulsing like a slowed heart.

I feel as if I should be able to deduce something from this description, but aside from the "jade eyes" I can conclude nothing. Any ideas?

And finally, given that Crone is actually a derivative of the Crippled God, a maggot-equivalent if you will, I cannot understand why Crone finds any aspect of the magical emanation from this demon in any way foul. She recognizes...

Quote

...that which came from the demon was foul, alien - yet, the Great Raven knew, not quite as alien as it should be. Not to her and her kind, that is.

Shouldn't emanations from this demon feel entirely good and familiar, and in no way foul? Perhaps I've misread the relationship between the CG and the Great Ravens, but the question, nevertheless, remains.

I'm looking forward to your answers and theories.

OHA.

[Grief]

As to the foulness it could just be because he uses a different form or warren from the CG.

To the jaghut, perhaps Telann feels foul. To the andii we are told that light does, so therefore Kurald Thryllan/Liosan or whatever its being called. They are all of the same universe.

Perhaps it is that.

Or perhaps crone has become accustomed to life in this dimension.

Baruk isnt necessarily massively powerful. He didnt seem to find it, as the demon was meditating, trying to get there anyway, he just found him and caught him. Not necessarily massively powerful.

We are told people in the CGs realm are looking for him. Before he was torn from there, he was one of their gods. If it happened to another god, say shadowthrone, is it wild speculation to assume they would look for him?

That humans are there is possible. After all, if his realm is accesible one way, why not the other. If he can come from there to here, why not the reverse?

My thoughts for now.

[Old Hunch Arbat]

Quote

We are told people in the CGs realm are looking for him. Before he was torn from there, he was one of their gods.

Are we told this specifically? If so, and if you remember where could you locate it and tell me the page numbers - or just approximately where, and in which book? Is this the part where Heboric sees all the folks drifting through space in jade watcha-ma-call-its? As you can tell my recall of this event is crystal clear.

OHA

[Grief]

"A naive god, ripped down from his own realm" or somesuch.

MoI prologue.

[Abyss]

The Great Ravens were 'born' in the MW, so things originating from the CG's home may still feel alien to them. Or there may be an aspect to that other world that is just utterly opposed to the MW, or perhaps corrupted.

The demon itself was an interesting element - suggests the CG's home is moving from the 'passive' sending of big jolly jade giant chunks to actively sending agents to find him.


- Abyss, quoth the raven, 'Holy Fnck!'...