[Galain]

Gamelon, on Oct 15 2008, 07:58 PM, said:

Kaschan, on Oct 15 2008, 07:56 PM, said:

Gamelon, on Oct 15 2008, 02:53 PM, said:

The problem with that is the trust issue, Kaschan. Besides, that is not a draw - you forgot Galain.

Galain gets blocked by Omtose
so it is a draw
but, of course, trust is an issue.

you guys blocked Galain last night, so for all I know, tomorrow morning one more DL will be dead.

Family wise it's not a draw.

All I ask for, Kaschan, is that you go for triad so we can settle this between your and my family, instead of the triad winning.

but Gam im thinkin that maybe you went for me last nite n tomoro i dont wake up?
boo! then DL's are in serious trouble

[Kaschan]

Gamelon, on Oct 15 2008, 02:56 PM, said:

Kaschan, you have chance with a draw, and even win if you go after triad. It's a gamble, but mafia games are always about gambles, because we know almost nothing - but remember it's a gamble for us too - we've taken risks all game. It's your turn now to take a risk. It's not more than fair.

Excuse me?
yes, due to JA's excesses, and modkills, you guys were in a tough spot, no doubt up untill now (well, till yest, actually) my actions have been driven by logic. now it's a fucking WIFOM mess.

but that's just it, Gamelon-- I SEE NO WAY OF WINNING
ZERO
NADA

so I have to look for contingencies. I offer a feasible way for a draw--all I can hope for, with the worst case-scenario assumptions. I understand why you wouldn't want to reveal if you're the poisoner or not. and I respect that decision. But I can't take the risk that you are and give you the game knowing I could have prevented it.

[Gamelon]

Galain, on Oct 15 2008, 08:01 PM, said:

Gamelon, on Oct 15 2008, 07:58 PM, said:

Kaschan, on Oct 15 2008, 07:56 PM, said:

Gamelon, on Oct 15 2008, 02:53 PM, said:

The problem with that is the trust issue, Kaschan. Besides, that is not a draw - you forgot Galain.

Galain gets blocked by Omtose
so it is a draw
but, of course, trust is an issue.

you guys blocked Galain last night, so for all I know, tomorrow morning one more DL will be dead.

Family wise it's not a draw.

All I ask for, Kaschan, is that you go for triad so we can settle this between your and my family, instead of the triad winning.

but Gam im thinkin that maybe you went for me last nite n tomoro i dont wake up?
boo! then DL's are in serious trouble

You're in serious trouble either way, friend (I'm not going to lie). But going after triad you will have a greater chance of getting out of said trouble. That's the point.

[Gamelon]

Kaschan, on Oct 15 2008, 08:02 PM, said:

Gamelon, on Oct 15 2008, 02:56 PM, said:

Kaschan, you have chance with a draw, and even win if you go after triad. It's a gamble, but mafia games are always about gambles, because we know almost nothing - but remember it's a gamble for us too - we've taken risks all game. It's your turn now to take a risk. It's not more than fair.

Excuse me?
yes, due to JA's excesses, and modkills, you guys were in a tough spot, no doubt up untill now (well, till yest, actually) my actions have been driven by logic. now it's a fucking WIFOM mess.

but that's just it, Gamelon-- I SEE NO WAY OF WINNING
ZERO
NADA

so I have to look for contingencies. I offer a feasible way for a draw--all I can hope for, with the worst case-scenario assumptions. I understand why you wouldn't want to reveal if you're the poisoner or not. and I respect that decision. But I can't take the risk that you are and give you the game knowing I could have prevented it.

*sigh* Well, you know I'm not against voting for Emur. As for the poison, I can't help you - the only way that I see is that Omtose promises not to block Galain. There is your advantage. That's the only thing I can think of.

Edit: But that means we have to take out Tennes tomorrow, and that Galain will have to choose another target. Otherwise, no deal. That's as much a draw as anything. Is my math correct?

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 15 October 2008 - 07:08 PM

[Galain]

haha way to go to fill me with confidence!!!

anyone could still be thr triad tho

anyone

jump in the dark and hope we hit right, mite as well jump in a good direction for our family.

i'd rather lose the game than let someone else win

[Emurlahn]

Why would omtose do that though? It leaves us wide open for betrayal.

[Kaschan]

Gamelon, on Oct 15 2008, 02:58 PM, said:

Kaschan, on Oct 15 2008, 07:56 PM, said:

Gamelon, on Oct 15 2008, 02:53 PM, said:

The problem with that is the trust issue, Kaschan. Besides, that is not a draw - you forgot Galain.

Galain gets blocked by Omtose
so it is a draw
but, of course, trust is an issue.

you guys blocked Galain last night, so for all I know, tomorrow morning one more DL will be dead.

Family wise it's not a draw.

All I ask for, Kaschan, is that you go for triad so we can settle this between your and my family, instead of the triad winning.

Gam, for the last time --this is not "town v. scum" and I will not treat it as such. Stop trying to guilt me into letting you win.
whether Triads or another family wins makes no difference to me. and stop trying to tell me to "settle this between families, because I realize you're just trying to get me to steer the game to a more favourable terms.

and, btw, in a 2 v 1 v 1 situation as I'm offering with the only possible NK perma-blocked, it WOULD be a draw. but if you don't want to play it that way, it's up to you. I can't force you.

[Gamelon]

Kaschan, have you read my proposal? As much trust issue as with any other scenario, except it's doable.

[Galain]

i'd poison myself right now if i wasnt fuckin blocked this sucks camel toe

[Kaschan]

Omtose not blocking Galain?
thats's cool, but where does that leave us?
we lynch Emur
galain gets one token on someone.

next move?

[Gamelon]

Kaschan, on Oct 15 2008, 08:14 PM, said:

Omtose not blocking Galain?
thats's cool, but where does that leave us?
we lynch Emur
galain gets one token on someone.

next move?

Not sure, but I'd imagine we'd lynch Tennes. Anyway, that gives us a chance of settling this with the triad out of the picture.

[Galain]

Kaschan, on Oct 15 2008, 08:14 PM, said:

Omtose not blocking Galain?
thats's cool, but where does that leave us?
we lynch Emur
galain gets one token on someone.

next move?

dont think i'd be round tomoro mornin then tho

[Kaschan]

and for how many nigths will this "not block Galain" thing hold?
Understand me correctly: you have a distinct advantage right now. if you so choose, my team can't kill.
my only bargaining chip is that I can make you not win right now. after tonight, I'm likely to lose it.

[Emurlahn]

If you lynch me, we're down to 2.
If Gamelon poison kills someone we're down to 1.

Even if i was triad you'd be down to 2, and you'd need to lynch Tennes for security anyway.
That means you're down to 1.

Since Nouv are guard/poisoner, they would therefore win.

[Kaschan]

Emurlahn, on Oct 15 2008, 03:17 PM, said:

If you lynch me, we're down to 2.
If Gamelon poison kills someone we're down to 1.

Even if i was triad you'd be down to 2, and you'd need to lynch Tennes for security anyway.
That means you're down to 1.

Since Nouv are guard/poisoner, they would therefore win.

What I've been saying for 2 hours now.

[Galain]

i wana vote Gamelon. Gams possibly like my counterpart or somethin lol and i no wat i'd do if i got a deal like that thru. i'd go on a mentl killin spree lol coz the game would be mine.

so i wana vote Gam

hmm

[Emurlahn]

And I agree. We cannot be sure of a win or evena draw when an enemy team has that strong a role set.

Edit: That was @ Kas btw. Cross post again galain.

This post has been edited by Emurlahn: 15 October 2008 - 07:21 PM

[Kaschan]

my choice is simple, in a way
but then again, it's not
I dont't think there are 3 Triads.
If Gam's a poisoner, I need to vote him off in order to draw.

I'd love to hear Tellan's opinion on this conundrum and his preferences.

[Gamelon]

Look, Kaschan, there's a reason I can't take your proposal - I can't help you with the poison. You assumptions are wrong. That makes my proposition the only one possible for me to give. Don't you think I'd accept a draw if I could?

[Kaschan]

lol
it only took me two hours
if you alt-guessed me, you'll know that i'll take your word for it.
still, at this point, I'd like to hear from Tellan...