[Meanas]

Fener, on Oct 7 2008, 03:51 PM, said:

Meanas, on Oct 7 2008, 03:29 PM, said:

I understand perfectly about the whole anonymity thing with regards to voting Telas...I just dont see what the rush is, everyone seems rather eager to vote him off.
I am merely trying to see what peoples reasons are other than the obligatory "he's irritating and spamming" which frankly isnt a good enough reason by itself.

Last I looked Telas had only 3 votes so I don't really see a huge rush on voting him off yet. With 11 votes needed 3 is barely the start of a train.

I was more refering to the way people voted for him than the speed, people just seem to come on thread, say Telas is irritating, place a vote on him and then promptly disappear. I want people to have better reasons that THAT for placing there votes. Being irritating is just not good enough a reason to be brutally honest.

[Meanas]

Fener, on Oct 7 2008, 03:51 PM, said:

Something that I find really interesting is that more people aren't attacking Korvalain for being an Corleone. What it is going to come down to is that Telas belongs to one clan and Korvalain is a Corleone. I am fine waiting till the last 2 hours in the day to do the lynch. Just to see if anyone else slips up.

That is the reason i voted for Korvilain originally, Why dont the non corleones place there votes on him? Because perhaps he in fact is a Don of another family, and the corleones all think he is one of them.

[Fener]

Korvalain, on Oct 7 2008, 03:58 PM, said:

Fener, on Oct 7 2008, 05:51 PM, said:

He got Korvalain to make that mistake but that is it. Something that I find really interesting is that more people aren't attacking Korvalain for being an Corleone. What it is going to come down to is that Telas belongs to one clan and Korvalain is a Corleone. I am fine waiting till the last 2 hours in the day to do the lynch. Just to see if anyone else slips up.

I'd like to see how you would do against the Eye of Sauron in full back-pedaling Tourette's mode

I correct (reassure) you: Telas most probably does not belong to one clan. If you are, ask yourself this: did you start the day random-voting and raising hell?

Ok, the way that I see it he would only feel comfortable "raising hell" if he didn't have a role. The only people who don't have roles are grunts. It doesn't make sense for a triad or the FM to behave like that. I mean common sense would be for them to do everything in their power to not attract a possible lynch or poisoning.

[Fener]

Meanas, on Oct 7 2008, 04:02 PM, said:

Fener, on Oct 7 2008, 03:51 PM, said:

Meanas, on Oct 7 2008, 03:29 PM, said:

I understand perfectly about the whole anonymity thing with regards to voting Telas...I just dont see what the rush is, everyone seems rather eager to vote him off.
I am merely trying to see what peoples reasons are other than the obligatory "he's irritating and spamming" which frankly isnt a good enough reason by itself.

Last I looked Telas had only 3 votes so I don't really see a huge rush on voting him off yet. With 11 votes needed 3 is barely the start of a train.

I was more refering to the way people voted for him than the speed, people just seem to come on thread, say Telas is irritating, place a vote on him and then promptly disappear. I want people to have better reasons that THAT for placing there votes. Being irritating is just not good enough a reason to be brutally honest.

True it isn't a good reason but day one lynches have happened off of less. Those people who didn't provide good reasons for voting for Telas should be watched in the days ahead.

[Korvalain]

Fener, on Oct 7 2008, 06:07 PM, said:

Korvalain, on Oct 7 2008, 03:58 PM, said:

Fener, on Oct 7 2008, 05:51 PM, said:

He got Korvalain to make that mistake but that is it. Something that I find really interesting is that more people aren't attacking Korvalain for being an Corleone. What it is going to come down to is that Telas belongs to one clan and Korvalain is a Corleone. I am fine waiting till the last 2 hours in the day to do the lynch. Just to see if anyone else slips up.

I'd like to see how you would do against the Eye of Sauron in full back-pedaling Tourette's mode

I correct (reassure) you: Telas most probably does not belong to one clan. If you are, ask yourself this: did you start the day random-voting and raising hell?

Ok, the way that I see it he would only feel comfortable "raising hell" if he didn't have a role. The only people who don't have roles are grunts. It doesn't make sense for a triad or the FM to behave like that. I mean common sense would be for them to do everything in their power to not attract a possible lynch or poisoning.

Actually, he raised hell after I came to him about his random vote. That part was reactionary. It's the random vote that gets me, why would a grunt take a chance to potentially put pressure on his poisoner?

[Meanas]

Ok ...well thinking on it...i would be happy for either one of Telas or Korvalain to get lynched.

Telas's allegiance might give us allot more info than anyone else because of the amount of finger pointing and talking he has done, and if korvalain is a faction leader he will likely die tonight.

So i'll once again remove vote Vote Telas

And pray he is not on my team...

Im voting now because i am leaving soon and will not be online for a good 15 hours...so I will miss the deadline.

[Kaschan]

Meanas, on Oct 7 2008, 11:06 AM, said:

Fener, on Oct 7 2008, 03:51 PM, said:

Something that I find really interesting is that more people aren't attacking Korvalain for being an Corleone. What it is going to come down to is that Telas belongs to one clan and Korvalain is a Corleone. I am fine waiting till the last 2 hours in the day to do the lynch. Just to see if anyone else slips up.

That is the reason i voted for Korvilain originally, Why dont the non corleones place there votes on him? Because perhaps he in fact is a Don of another family, and the corleones all think he is one of them.

it's easy, really
Saying that you're not a Corleone at this point clears up the situation about alignments. no one wanrts that right now--in fact, no one really wants it untill the CF makes it clear that one side's getting close to a majority.
voting for Telas gives people a chance to be sheep-like and not reveal much. Voting for Korv for him being a Corleone means the rest take notes of it.

[Korvalain]

Kaschan, on Oct 7 2008, 06:16 PM, said:

. Voting for Korv for him being a Corleone means the rest take notes of it.

And you guys KNOW you don't want to piss off Michael.

[Thyrllan]

Meanas, on Oct 7 2008, 04:06 PM, said:

Fener, on Oct 7 2008, 03:51 PM, said:

Something that I find really interesting is that more people aren't attacking Korvalain for being an Corleone. What it is going to come down to is that Telas belongs to one clan and Korvalain is a Corleone. I am fine waiting till the last 2 hours in the day to do the lynch. Just to see if anyone else slips up.

That is the reason i voted for Korvilain originally, Why dont the non corleones place there votes on him? Because perhaps he in fact is a Don of another family, and the corleones all think he is one of them.

But thats only if you actually believe Telas and his story, which really just day one crap like all other day one cases. Same as the Barghast case and him being FM. Its a Day one case at best, but its something we should keep an eye on. It was strange and needed to be pointed out and I'm glad it was brought up. You defended it and rightly so which is why no one gave you shit about it I imagine. He could be a poisoner. I suspect he's either Poisoner or FM though.


Currently Korvalain has got what Barghast and Telas on it. So I think that particular bit of evidence for the Don thing is crap. No one else seems enthralled by it at this point. I don't think there is anything in it at the moment and that is why i'm not voting on it either.

Barghast and Telas wouldn't be my first choices for most truthworthy at this point either.

[Meanas]

Kaschan, on Oct 7 2008, 04:16 PM, said:

Meanas, on Oct 7 2008, 11:06 AM, said:

Fener, on Oct 7 2008, 03:51 PM, said:

Something that I find really interesting is that more people aren't attacking Korvalain for being an Corleone. What it is going to come down to is that Telas belongs to one clan and Korvalain is a Corleone. I am fine waiting till the last 2 hours in the day to do the lynch. Just to see if anyone else slips up.

That is the reason i voted for Korvilain originally, Why dont the non corleones place there votes on him? Because perhaps he in fact is a Don of another family, and the corleones all think he is one of them.

it's easy, really
Saying that you're not a Corleone at this point clears up the situation about alignments. no one wanrts that right now--in fact, no one really wants it untill the CF makes it clear that one side's getting close to a majority.
voting for Telas gives people a chance to be sheep-like and not reveal much. Voting for Korv for him being a Corleone means the rest take notes of it.

true

[Kaschan]

seriously, where's that crosspost warning again?

@ Meanas: that's 5 on telas now.

I'm heading out to get lunch. back in about 40 min

[Korvalain]

lol at the Corleones who really want to vote Telas but try to be subtle.

Let's put is this way: it's 11 to lynch, and 6 per team. So if you're not Corleone, vote and make people believe you might be one. And if you are Corleone, vote and make people believe you are not a Corleone voting to make people believe you might be one. Then we have the 11 votes, the situation is still confused, and there's a good chance IMO we're down an unteamed player.

[Meanas]

Kaschan, on Oct 7 2008, 04:23 PM, said:

@ Meanas: that's 5 on telas now.

Thanks ...i do struggle to count past 4

[Meanas]

Kaschan, on Oct 7 2008, 04:23 PM, said:

@ Meanas: that's 5 on telas now.

Thanks ...i do struggle to count past 4

[Fener]

Path-Shaper, on Oct 7 2008, 08:17 AM, said:

Good morning my pretties. I'll provide you with a vote count in a sec, but for the time being: Poison tokens are tied to the person. The FM does not become another person. He pretend to be that person. A fundamental difference I believe. If, during the night, a poisoner targets the FM's alt and the FM changes alt that same night, the tokens miss as the FM moves alt before the poisoner acts. If the Poisoner targets the FM's new alt on the other hand, the FM is poisoned.

And let's keep our communication to english shall we?

It's day 1. There's 15 hours and 42 minutes left of the day

There are 20 players remaining: Mockra, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Korvalain, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Meanas, Shadow, Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Telas,Tellan,Tennes, Thyrllan

11 votes needed to lynch
10 votes needed to go to night

4 votes for Telas (Korvalain, Shadow, Gamelon, Emurlahn)
2 votes for Korvalain (Telas, Barghast)

14 players have not voted: Mockra, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Fener, Galain, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Meanas, D'riss, Tellan,Tennes, Thyrllan

Shadow, on Oct 7 2008, 09:46 AM, said:

Telas, on Oct 7 2008, said:

Meanas, on Oct 7 2008, 08:39 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on Oct 7 2008, 06:23 AM, said:

I missed that in my skim through before. Hmmm so Barghast spoke Italian with the excuse it'll fool the FM, and now wants to know how Poison will affect the FM in his first very first proper post? Thats damn weird right there if he's not the FM. Will have to think about that.

Not too weird if he is a poisoner, trying to figure out how his tokens work with the FM.
Also could be an attempt at dissuading the FM from picking him.

There is a possibility that Barghy is trying to change the subject, in an attempt to save telas, that would mean telas is a Don.
Or Bargh just buys Telas story that Korvalain is a don because no one wants to vote for him.

Im actually not too sure who to vote for now, I wouldn't mind if telas put up a decent case that shows how he sees Korvalain to be in Corleone. So far he just seems to be saying it without any solid evidence.

Otherwise id be inclined to go for Telas himself. For fabricating all this corleone and don theories. Just to get a response, not playing it safe and could be hurting my team.

i see making noise and getting people to talk doesnt seem to work here, and that people obviously dont read the thread very well. so to tone it back abit because its obviously blinding you allt o my amazing abilities of detection i will present my case that korv is either a don, or a corleone, but not both!!!

reasons for korv to be corleone

first post by korv - quote from godfather movie of a corleone character.

secondly - when discussign corleone votes against me he said 5 more gauranteed, its quoted just above, indicating his vote made up the sixth member of that faction. we know the size of the factions, this was an obvious slip.

reason korv is a don

first - corleones wont vote against him as they suspect him to be a member of their family.

second - others not corleone havent voted for someone who is in all likely a corleone, the only reason is they know he is not a corleone, and that can only make him a don of another faction. This would mean 11 out of the 20 wont vote for korv as half think he is a member of corleones, while rest know he is a don.

@korv - why would i accuse you of that, i like how you spend time not arguing against points, but trying to make out i am crazy and saying what i will do when i implode. No chance, don.

Well seeing as you have actually made a case
remove vote
Will wait to see Korv's response

@Korv: btw multi-quote works just fine, your majesty!
you see the little "quote" button under a person's post? yes it has + as well! now to multiquote you click it and then move to the next post and click it and then the next and the next and.... you get the picture right?....Then when you have all the quotes you click the "add reply" button at the bottom of the page? Now was that hard???

Path-Shaper, on Oct 7 2008, 02:08 PM, said:

Will look into Tennes, and the option for a replacement.


It's day 1. There's 9 hours and 54 minutes left of the day

There are 20 players remaining: Mockra, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Korvalain, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Meanas, Shadow, Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Telas,Tellan,Tennes, Thyrllan

11 votes needed to lynch
10 votes needed to go to night

3 votes for Telas (Korvalain, Gamelon, Emurlahn)
2 votes for Korvalain (Telas, Barghast)
1 vote for Tellan (Meanas)

14 players have not voted: Mockra, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Fener, Galain, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, D'riss, Tellan,Tennes, Thyrllan, Shadow

Meanas, on Oct 7 2008, 04:16 PM, said:

Ok ...well thinking on it...i would be happy for either one of Telas or Korvalain to get lynched.

Telas's allegiance might give us allot more info than anyone else because of the amount of finger pointing and talking he has done, and if korvalain is a faction leader he will likely die tonight.

So i'll once again remove vote Vote Telas

And pray he is not on my team...

Im voting now because i am leaving soon and will not be online for a good 15 hours...so I will miss the deadline.

Kaschan, on Oct 7 2008, 04:23 PM, said:

seriously, where's that crosspost warning again?

@ Meanas: that's 5 on telas now.

I'm heading out to get lunch. back in about 40 min

Sorry to be a downer Kaschan but as I see it there is only 4 votes on Telas. Shadow removed his vote, and I couldn't find a post were he voted again.

[Meanas]

Fener, on Oct 7 2008, 04:37 PM, said:

Sorry to be a downer Kaschan but as I see it there is only 4 votes on Telas. Shadow removed his vote, and I couldn't find a post were he voted again.

Lol...i struggle to count passed four? seams its actually passed 3 then

[D'riss]

Vote Telas

Because the only option is Korv, and he has yet to earn it as much as Telas has.

[Ruse]

Korvalain, on Oct 7 2008, 03:58 PM, said:

Fener, on Oct 7 2008, 05:51 PM, said:

He got Korvalain to make that mistake but that is it. Something that I find really interesting is that more people aren't attacking Korvalain for being an Corleone. What it is going to come down to is that Telas belongs to one clan and Korvalain is a Corleone. I am fine waiting till the last 2 hours in the day to do the lynch. Just to see if anyone else slips up.

I'd like to see how you would do against the Eye of Sauron in full back-pedaling Tourette's mode

I correct (reassure) you: Telas most probably does not belong to one clan. If you are, ask yourself this: did you start the day random-voting and raising hell?

I'm still reading up on the thread, so this may have been answered already. My head hurts like I'm hit with a sledgehammer and I've got a fever, so that explains me being low on postcount, and remaining so until tomorrow.

I bet what Telas is planning to do is this:
Reveal Thug with a faction (not necessarily his own... I doubt that with Korvalain's Corleone slip he will take the risk of revealing Corleone if he is Corleone) when he gets close to the L-point.

Then, we can either lynch him and with that, he gives his teammates a chance to distance themselves, or if we don't lynch him, then no vig will waste a kill on the guy, he won't be guarded, and his own poisoner won't target him, so if he is a thug, he will make it to day 2. He also becomes rather uninteresting for both the FM and the triad.

Whatever he does, he has the game by the balls as it stands, and I'd say all goes as he plans.

[Kaschan]

that's IF there is a thug role...
there are six people per family, 2 of them reportedly grunts (to give Triad a fair chance), 1 a don and 1 a poisoner. of the other 5 roles, (doctor, Detektive, Hitman, Guard and thug), only 2 are likely in play. of these, Thug is the lowest-ranking one.
why people keep assuming we have them (unless they've got a PM saying they are one) is beyond me.
and yeah, I guess I missed Shadow removing his vote. ok, well, with D'riss we're at five. happy?

[Ruse]

Kaschan, on Oct 7 2008, 05:11 PM, said:

that's IF there is a thug role...
there are six people per family, 2 of them reportedly grunts (to give Triad a fair chance), 1 a don and 1 a poisoner. of the other 5 roles, (doctor, Detektive, Hitman, Guard and thug), only 2 are likely in play. of these, Thug is the lowest-ranking one.
why people keep assuming we have them (unless they've got a PM saying they are one) is beyond me.
and yeah, I guess I missed Shadow removing his vote. ok, well, with D'riss we're at five. happy?

He may claim it, nonetheless