[Thyrllan]

Korvalain, on Oct 7 2008, 05:56 AM, said:

Barghast, on Oct 6 2008, 10:41 PM, said:

Ok, now I'm done with showing off my famous Italian skills, I have a question for the mods. It would be great if a player knew the answer so we don't have to bother them.

Are the poison tokens tied to the alt or for the real person? For instance, if a FM had a token on him, and changed the alt during the night, would it take one or two tokens to knock him out (assuming the overtaken alt didn't have any tokens on it)?

That's the first thing you felt like saying? That's the thing that worries you the most in this game?

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Really?

I missed that in my skim through before. Hmmm so Barghast spoke Italian with the excuse it'll fool the FM, and now wants to know how Poison will affect the FM in his first very first proper post? Thats damn weird right there if he's not the FM. Will have to think about that.

[Path-Shaper]

Good morning my pretties. I'll provide you with a vote count in a sec, but for the time being: Poison tokens are tied to the person. The FM does not become another person. He pretend to be that person. A fundamental difference I believe. If, during the night, a poisoner targets the FM's alt and the FM changes alt that same night, the tokens miss as the FM moves alt before the poisoner acts. If the Poisoner targets the FM's new alt on the other hand, the FM is poisoned.

And let's keep our communication to english shall we?

It's day 1. There's 15 hours and 42 minutes left of the day

There are 20 players remaining: Mockra, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Korvalain, Fener, Galain, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Meanas, Shadow, Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Telas,Tellan,Tennes, Thyrllan

11 votes needed to lynch
10 votes needed to go to night

4 votes for Telas (Korvalain, Shadow, Gamelon, Emurlahn)
2 votes for Korvalain (Telas, Barghast)

14 players have not voted: Mockra, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Fener, Galain, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Meanas, D'riss, Tellan,Tennes, Thyrllan

[Meanas]

Barghast, on Oct 7 2008, 12:00 AM, said:

Barghast, on Oct 6 2008, 10:35 PM, said:

Why would a grunt admit being a grunt?

?????????

Anyway, who else wants to lynch the K guy...the one I'm voting for?

Im still catching up, but for me its either Korvalain or telas...still deciding

[Meanas]

Thyrllan, on Oct 7 2008, 06:23 AM, said:

I missed that in my skim through before. Hmmm so Barghast spoke Italian with the excuse it'll fool the FM, and now wants to know how Poison will affect the FM in his first very first proper post? Thats damn weird right there if he's not the FM. Will have to think about that.

Not too weird if he is a poisoner, trying to figure out how his tokens work with the FM.
Also could be an attempt at dissuading the FM from picking him.

There is a possibility that Barghy is trying to change the subject, in an attempt to save telas, that would mean telas is a Don.
Or Bargh just buys Telas story that Korvalain is a don because no one wants to vote for him.

Im actually not too sure who to vote for now, I wouldn't mind if telas put up a decent case that shows how he sees Korvalain to be in Corleone. So far he just seems to be saying it without any solid evidence.

Otherwise id be inclined to go for Telas himself. For fabricating all this corleone and don theories. Just to get a response, not playing it safe and could be hurting my team.

[Telas]

Meanas, on Oct 7 2008, 08:39 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on Oct 7 2008, 06:23 AM, said:

I missed that in my skim through before. Hmmm so Barghast spoke Italian with the excuse it'll fool the FM, and now wants to know how Poison will affect the FM in his first very first proper post? Thats damn weird right there if he's not the FM. Will have to think about that.

Not too weird if he is a poisoner, trying to figure out how his tokens work with the FM.
Also could be an attempt at dissuading the FM from picking him.

There is a possibility that Barghy is trying to change the subject, in an attempt to save telas, that would mean telas is a Don.
Or Bargh just buys Telas story that Korvalain is a don because no one wants to vote for him.

Im actually not too sure who to vote for now, I wouldn't mind if telas put up a decent case that shows how he sees Korvalain to be in Corleone. So far he just seems to be saying it without any solid evidence.

Otherwise id be inclined to go for Telas himself. For fabricating all this corleone and don theories. Just to get a response, not playing it safe and could be hurting my team.

i see making noise and getting people to talk doesnt seem to work here, and that people obviously dont read the thread very well. so to tone it back abit because its obviously blinding you allt o my amazing abilities of detection i will present my case that korv is either a don, or a corleone, but not both!!!

reasons for korv to be corleone

first post by korv - quote from godfather movie of a corleone character.

secondly - when discussign corleone votes against me he said 5 more gauranteed, its quoted just above, indicating his vote made up the sixth member of that faction. we know the size of the factions, this was an obvious slip.

reason korv is a don

first - corleones wont vote against him as they suspect him to be a member of their family.

second - others not corleone havent voted for someone who is in all likely a corleone, the only reason is they know he is not a corleone, and that can only make him a don of another faction. This would mean 11 out of the 20 wont vote for korv as half think he is a member of corleones, while rest know he is a don.

@korv - why would i accuse you of that, i like how you spend time not arguing against points, but trying to make out i am crazy and saying what i will do when i implode. No chance, don.

[Tellan]

Hi am back, have time for a quick post or two, then I'm off. Nothing much seems to have happened while I was away, although it seems people are starting to play a little more seriously

My internet is painfully slow right now, so please excuse me for not searching for quotes, it takes about 30 secs for a page to load and I dont have the time. Anyway, Telas's accusation that Korv is a Corleone is based on the fact that Korv voted and said there would be 5 more corleone votes (rather than 6). While logical enough I thought this was pretty weak, and a bit of a diversion tactic by Telas.

Noone else commented on Telas's brilliant find, or made any move to vote Korv, so Telas then decided that Korv is the don of whichever team is not Corleone and not his family either. Something along the lines of the Corleones wouldn't vote for him, and neither would his own family. Still a logical enough conclusion, but the evidence is speculation.

I agree that Telas is playing dangerous, and so far people havent really bitten when he's gone fishing, so he's really just making noise.
If Korv is a don, the other dons would take him out tonight, cos having an outed don is too big of a risk with an FM running around.


Like I said before, I believe Telas is a Thug, simply because that's the least dangerous role to have for someone playing the way he is. As much as I'm scared of taking out one of my own team, at least with Telas I'd be reasonably sure that I'm not taking out a power player.

@Ruse, good point about the role distribution. I still think it's safe to assume two recruitable people per family, just because the numbers wouldn't work nicely any other way

Edit - cross post with telas

This post has been edited by Tellan: 07 October 2008 - 08:04 AM

[Telas]

Emurlahn, on Oct 6 2008, 09:43 PM, said:

Just back for a bit. Ive got a basketball game on tommorow so I wont be on until quite late. Im not sure about times and when the deadline is so Im going to:

vote Telas

because he's irritating the hell out of me. Not the best reason, but he worries me, because im really not understanding why he's doing what he's doing. Just to provoke a reaction? Well, there you go, enjoy your reaction. Heres to hoping that he's someone important taking a gamble, or at least, not on my team.

Edit: Made the vote a bit clearer.

damned this no multiquote but as those three votes are near identical int heir lack of reasoning apart from gamelon who thinks i want to get lynched?? where you pull that out of? so quoting one is pretty much just as good as quoting all three.

this really fucks me off something shocking, you do realise that when korv is lynched its going to look bad on you? I mean not one of the three of you put a valid reasoning into it. What contribution have you made to the game emurhalhn? apart from barely posting and getting annoyed that not everyone plays with the intention of boring others into submission? i mean you voted for me already because i irritated you so what the fuck do i care about doing it some more? was this your only post? i mean i could go and check but really i dont remember anything making an impression so if you hadnt of voted i wouldnt have known you were playing.

so the question is if korv is a corleone does that make your three with your weak ass votes corleones too? or if he isnt corleone but a don like i suspect are you three int hat faction and backing up your master hoping for a train.

because heres the thing, my don is sitting pretty right now because everyones looking at me and korvalain, which is my fucking roles specific function. If i make it to night, i am going to draw probablya find or two, a few posion tokens and maybe even a vig so for what its worth, that a successful day 1 for me.

If you cant think of a valid reason to lynch someone then you are suspect, i have given a good case against korvalain, lets see if you change your vote.

[Tellan]

I'm off, cheers people, c u all in 6-8 hours

[Telas]

Tellan, on Oct 7 2008, 08:59 AM, said:

Hi am back, have time for a quick post or two, then I'm off. Nothing much seems to have happened while I was away, although it seems people are starting to play a little more seriously

My internet is painfully slow right now, so please excuse me for not searching for quotes, it takes about 30 secs for a page to load and I dont have the time. Anyway, Telas's accusation that Korv is a Corleone is based on the fact that Korv voted and said there would be 5 more corleone votes (rather than 6). While logical enough I thought this was pretty weak, and a bit of a diversion tactic by Telas.

Noone else commented on Telas's brilliant find, or made any move to vote Korv, so Telas then decided that Korv is the don of whichever team is not Corleone and not his family either. Something along the lines of the Corleones wouldn't vote for him, and neither would his own family. Still a logical enough conclusion, but the evidence is speculation.

I agree that Telas is playing dangerous, and so far people havent really bitten when he's gone fishing, so he's really just making noise.
If Korv is a don, the other dons would take him out tonight, cos having an outed don is too big of a risk with an FM running around.


Like I said before, I believe Telas is a Thug, simply because that's the least dangerous role to have for someone playing the way he is. As much as I'm scared of taking out one of my own team, at least with Telas I'd be reasonably sure that I'm not taking out a power player.

@Ruse, good point about the role distribution. I still think it's safe to assume two recruitable people per family, just because the numbers wouldn't work nicely any other way

Edit - cross post with telas

so despite the fact that you see the logic in it, you will vote for me because why? you dont like my play style? thats pretty weak tellan. Like seriously, weak.

[Meanas]

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i see making noise and getting people to talk doesnt seem to work here, and that people obviously dont read the thread very well. so to tone it back abit because its obviously blinding you allt o my amazing abilities of detection i will present my case that korv is either a don, or a corleone, but not both!!!

reasons for korv to be corleone

first post by korv - quote from godfather movie of a corleone character.

secondly - when discussign corleone votes against me he said 5 more gauranteed, its quoted just above, indicating his vote made up the sixth member of that faction. we know the size of the factions, this was an obvious slip.

reason korv is a don

first - corleones wont vote against him as they suspect him to be a member of their family.

second - others not corleone havent voted for someone who is in all likely a corleone, the only reason is they know he is not a corleone, and that can only make him a don of another faction. This would mean 11 out of the 20 wont vote for korv as half think he is a member of corleones, while rest know he is a don.

@korv - why would i accuse you of that, i like how you spend time not arguing against points, but trying to make out i am crazy and saying what i will do when i implode. No chance, don.

I was looking for a proper case with quotes....sigh.

Thing is, you could be interpreting what he said to suit your needs. (strawman?)

Lets see what Korvalain has to say shall we? Now that youve put it all together in one post, id like to see what he has to say for himslef other than \"Telas has imploded\"
blah blah blah.

In fact Vote Korvalain

This by no means gets you off the hook telas, your play has been very strange and could be detrimental to my team. But i see some sense in what you are saying.
Even though you could be bending his words to mean something else...

Honestly i didnt really understand what he meant when he put down that vote and spoke about the 5 more needed by the corleones (or something)...i thought he was trying to say that he cant be seen as corleone because there were already more people voting for you than could be in a family. Which was obviously incorrect.


edit - spelling

Edit2- cross post...so added quotes to reference my answer

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This post has been edited by Meanas: 07 October 2008 - 08:14 AM

[Telas]

Meanas, on Oct 7 2008, 09:07 AM, said:

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i see making noise and getting people to talk doesnt seem to work here, and that people obviously dont read the thread very well. so to tone it back abit because its obviously blinding you allt o my amazing abilities of detection i will present my case that korv is either a don, or a corleone, but not both!!!

reasons for korv to be corleone

first post by korv - quote from godfather movie of a corleone character.

secondly - when discussign corleone votes against me he said 5 more gauranteed, its quoted just above, indicating his vote made up the sixth member of that faction. we know the size of the factions, this was an obvious slip.

reason korv is a don

first - corleones wont vote against him as they suspect him to be a member of their family.

second - others not corleone havent voted for someone who is in all likely a corleone, the only reason is they know he is not a corleone, and that can only make him a don of another faction. This would mean 11 out of the 20 wont vote for korv as half think he is a member of corleones, while rest know he is a don.

@korv - why would i accuse you of that, i like how you spend time not arguing against points, but trying to make out i am crazy and saying what i will do when i implode. No chance, don.

I was looking for a proper case with quotes....sigh.

Thing is, you could be interpreting what he said to suit your needs. (strawman?)

Lets see what Korvalain has to say shall we? Now that youve put it all together in one post, id like to see what he has to say for himslef other than \"Telas has imploded\"
blah blah blah.

In fact Vote Korvalain

This by no means gets you off the hook telas, your play has been very strange and could be detrimental to my team. But i see some sense in what you are saying.
Even though you could be bending his words to mean something else...

Honestly i didnt really understand what he meant when he put down that vote and spoke about the 5 more needed by the corleones (or something)...i thought he was trying to say that he cant be seen as corleone because there were already more people voting for you than could be in a family. Which was obviously incorrect.


edit - spelling

Edit2- cross post...so added quotes to reference my answer

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just think how dull it would be if i didnt act like a tool

one think thats good about a day 1 like this though is that no matter what happens, we have lots of info on how other people feel toward certain cases. It can give us lots of info as well on who is deliberately hiding from sight and possible leads toward the fm or triad. Goign to do a reread and ignore all the stuff from me and korv, see who is hiding from view with lots of crap - i know tellan springs to mind doesnt he.

[Meanas]

Telas, on Oct 7 2008, 09:06 AM, said:

so despite the fact that you see the logic in it, you will vote for me because why? you dont like my play style? thats pretty weak tellan. Like seriously, weak.

Seems he is voting for you because he thinks that if Korvaliain is a Don...he will die anyway tonight.
And he obviously doesnt think you are on his team...

maybe Korvalain is his don, or maybe he's just corleone. And knows you are not.
Maybe he truly just doesnt like your style of play

[Meanas]

Looks like its just you and me telas!

[Korvalain]

lol, now I'm a don.

Telas, let's put it this way: You basicaly reveal not being Corleone, which means you have 6 people who have no problem voting you, which is both normal and smart from them. Add two players, Triad and FM, assuming you're not one of those (which is still my hypothesis), who would be happy to see a vocal player gone. That's 8 potential votes on you already.

Of course not everyone will come out and say it right away, but that's a sure as hell good reason you would be feeling heat right now.

Add a few players from the other teams who would not be sure of who you are, but I do mean my case that I don't believe you are teamed.

You pride yourself that you "shook" the thread. You've outsmarted me and forced me to slip, and my faction is borderline in the open. Well clap clap, whatever. What does that give your team? This is not many innos vs few scum, like I said before. I am not scum, even if your team would legitimely want me dead. Was it worth getting yourself in the open like this? getting you 8 guaranteed ennemies and becoming a good lynch candidate? You're not the "hero" who shook things up, not according to the rest of your team, that's for sure.

I can't believe a teamed player would ahve played like this. That's my case on you, and hopefully I'll convince the 3 players I need to convince, who don't already want you dead, to vote you off.


What kills me is that there's still the possibility we're on teh same team, if I'm wrong about you not being teamed, but honestly if that's the case the mistake is yours, not mine. I don't imagine you would do this just to "dissociate" yourself from the Corleones.

[Hood's Path]

Right, just finished reading all the posts, but I'm off to bed now. I expect myself to contribute more after a good night's rest.

[Korvalain]

Hood's Path, on Oct 7 2008, 11:33 AM, said:

Right, just finished reading all the posts, but I'm off to bed now. I expect myself to contribute more after a good night's rest.

Hey, you just came back from vacations lazy ass

[Telas]

Korvalain, on Oct 7 2008, 09:24 AM, said:

lol, now I'm a don.

Telas, let's put it this way: You basicaly reveal not being Corleone, which means you have 6 people who have no problem voting you, which is both normal and smart from them. Add two players, Triad and FM, assuming you're not one of those (which is still my hypothesis), who would be happy to see a vocal player gone. That's 8 potential votes on you already.

Of course not everyone will come out and say it right away, but that's a sure as hell good reason you would be feeling heat right now.

Add a few players from the other teams who would not be sure of who you are, but I do mean my case that I don't believe you are teamed.

You pride yourself that you "shook" the thread. You've outsmarted me and forced me to slip, and my faction is borderline in the open. Well clap clap, whatever. What does that give your team? This is not many innos vs few scum, like I said before. I am not scum, even if your team would legitimely want me dead. Was it worth getting yourself in the open like this? getting you 8 guaranteed ennemies and becoming a good lynch candidate? You're not the "hero" who shook things up, not according to the rest of your team, that's for sure.

I can't believe a teamed player would ahve played like this. That's my case on you, and hopefully I'll convince the 3 players I need to convince, who don't already want you dead, to vote you off.


What kills me is that there's still the possibility we're on teh same team, if I'm wrong about you not being teamed, but honestly if that's the case the mistake is yours, not mine. I don't imagine you would do this just to "dissociate" yourself from the Corleones.

i think i stated my don case quite clearly yesterday as well. You do that a lot you know, just pretend that stuff is random when its totally not. Either your ignoring the posts i make on purpose or your feeling the heat? If its something else feel free to tell me.

again, i havent revealed anything, korvalain. And i dont have 8 people willing to vote for me, i currently have 4. While you have 3. You have revealed that either you cant count, or your a corleone. I mean i am just looking at what you said while your case is i am putting myself in danger and jeopardising my faction by being outpsoken. Well someone has to try and get info for the killer roles to take people out, and well i self nominated given my already stated low position in the food chain.

anyway, If we are on the same team... but it will prove your not my don which ever of us dies.

At the moment though i actually want to vote off one of the other people votinng for me, but i am being restrained, you at least are making a case, they are just irritated. So i am a liability because i provoke people, but these clowns are happy just to vote without reason... Yeah, i'm the liability!!

[Telas]

Tellan, on Oct 7 2008, 08:59 AM, said:

Like I said before, I believe Telas is a Thug, simply because that's the least dangerous role to have for someone playing the way he is. As much as I'm scared of taking out one of my own team, at least with Telas I'd be reasonably sure that I'm not taking out a power player.

@Ruse, good point about the role distribution. I still think it's safe to assume two recruitable people per family, just because the numbers wouldn't work nicely any other way

Edit - cross post with telas

as for tellan - who sees logic in a case and ignores that because its weak and then talks of voting because i may be harming his team...

i really think he is our triad. Look at it, he constantly talks about the lower level players in the chain (fishing for possible targets) he has mentioned the triad/cult numerous times. He is discussing my role on a regular basis, so much so that if i made it through to night 1 i would be sure he was going to recruit me.

I think he himself said that the person who mentions a role a lot generally has that role, yet apart from you telling me i am the triad /fm i think he is the only player to constantly talk about it.

Look back over his posts - here he is congratualting ruse for telling him how many people are targetable.

[Meanas]

Ok Korvalain...Do you deny that you let it slip that you are in corleone now?

What im getting at is that there is a good chance you are corleone, yet no one is rushing to vote for you.
So the theory that you are a Don does actually hold water, since two teams are seemingly backing you up.


Prove to me that The case against you being a corleone is a fabrication on telas' part and i might consider changing my vote, but as it stands there is a chance you are a leader, and not my leader. So therefore a decent lynch.

Then again, Tellan does make sense in that if you are a leader the other leaders will try and kill you tonight anyways...wich will give my leader a better shot of making it through the night. So fingering you as a potential leader and leaving you to the dogs tonight might actually be the way to go.

sigh...i dunno

[Telas]

and yes i did say recruit me, because how else is wifom supposed to work if we dont try to sow confusion for our enemies. You know i am low level, but just how low do i go??