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Mafia 27: The Escape of the Benses (Game Thread)

#1061 Guest_Gamelon_*

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 10:13 PM

Liosan;376027 said:

To me, either one could be faking it, because they can both be scum. Lets not rush anything.


Liosan;376060 said:

LOL Fener. :D

I'm gonna be away for 1 hour or so. When I come back I'll vote.


Liosan;376065 said:

Gah, now I'm gonna look like an ass. But I realized that the correct course is to not give people time to reveal, as Kaschan said. I'll be back in about an hour.

vote Galain


Liosan;376299 said:

What was a quick change?


That was the quick change. I know you say that you were basing your vote off of Kaschan's not wanting people to reveal but I don't buy it. Why would a healer or finder reveal themselves rather then just lynch one of us.
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#1062 Guest_D'riss_*

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 10:15 PM

Time for me to go, see you all in the morning.
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#1063 Guest_Liosan_*

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 10:17 PM

Gamelon;376306 said:

That was the quick change. I know you say that you were basing your vote off of Kaschan's not wanting people to reveal but I don't buy it. Why would a healer or finder reveal themselves rather then just lynch one of us.

Wrong, I wasn't basing my vote on kaschan's post. I was simply voting a bit earlier than I initially thought. Because when I thought about it I agreed with that assessment. So there, I was not basing who I voted for on Kaschan's post. Why would I want to do that anyway?

You're strawmanning.
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#1064 Guest_Omtose_*

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 10:24 PM

Okay then, my observations of Fener during the period following Gamelons apparent silencing. Basically the premise is that Fener repeatedly leaves openings for Galain to come up innocent.

Fener;375988 said:

well then
Kaschan, Liosan, suggestions?
I'm willling to vote fro Galain right now, although of course it'd be interesting to see what his rebuttal would be.
And may god have mersy on his soul if he's decided to pull another Khellendros...


This is the Khell-stunt possibility. Fener mentions it a few more times in later posts, but it is the minor option so I won't quote all of those.

Fener;375995 said:

cross posts all around
It would be gutsy for BB to "claim" silenced, so I'm not quite sure Galain's BB. But, hell, if he is, all the better.

anyhoo
vote Galain

and let's see where this will go


Here we have his actual vote, in the very same post he says he doesn't see Galain as BB - so he doesn't expect a guilty CF.

Fener;376019 said:

@ Gamelon
so, you also think that Galain is UB.

ok, fine

any guesses as to who the BB might be?
As I said, if we don't have any concrete leads on the BB, I'd rather spend today lynching a very probable UB, giving our finder/guard another night to work.


Here he is putting forward the possibility of UB again and this time trying to make it appear that he's not the only one that thinks so. At no point in any of his picture posts did Gamelon display a picture remotely reminiscent of UB. But Fener knows Galain will come up innocent so he's trying to push the idea at every given opportunity.

There were two players trying to push the lynch through as quickly as possible: Galain and Kaschan. The thing is that Kaschan viewed Galain as BB and as such sets himself up for some pressure should Galain's CF be innocent. There is also the fact that Kaschan does explore both options quite a bit.

Fener simply picks one and pushes (possibly to get the lynch through before something like Gamelon's second reveal can happen), all the while saying that he doesn't think Galain is BB - trying to keep his nose clean for when the CF says innocent? Yes, I think so.

Another, lesser point. Fener's sign-off post.

Fener;376117 said:

all right, all you people.

Se y'all much later--have some things to take care of outside the premises, will be gone for most of the day.

Galain's feeble attempts to misinterpret the rules cement him as guilty in my books. Unless we have an inno faker, in which case may he burn in the Abyss for eternity to the power of eternity.

so, vote Galain.
Fener's out.


The underlined bit is I think a bit of a misrepresentation. On first reading I thought it was pretty obvious that Galain was trying to get clarification from PS - not trying to twist the Mechanics Post to suit himself. He was not the only person to view that post that way though, hence its being a lesser point.

Not going to put Fener at L-1 just yet because if he gets lynched too quickly night may time out before I can discuss with Mockra again and that is something I want to do regardless of Fener's CF.
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#1065 Guest_Liosan_*

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 10:25 PM

Oh and are people voting for Fener just because he was the first to vote for Galain?

Edit: CROSS POST!
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#1066 Guest_Fener_*

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 10:27 PM

Gamelon, you mofo
you'on the list forever. if only I didn't knowyou were inno for sur for gurding you for two night straight, i'd vote for you in a second
on comp in a cafe, stupid keyboard making me write slowly
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#1067 Guest_Omtose_*

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 10:28 PM

Also, add to the above case the fishy timing of Fener's Kaschan case... ie before we even knew the alignment of a freshly lynched HP.

He said it was because he didn't know if PS would come back before he left and wanted to get his contribution in. If that is the case it would make more sense to wait as long as possible to see if PS returned and if he didn't make the case just as you're leaving.

-bloody cross posting, glad I didn't vote
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#1068 Guest_Telas_*

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 10:29 PM

@ Liosan

Nope, we're basing it on reasoning, discussion and case-making (which, admittedly could be wrong). See, for example, Omtose's post.
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#1069 Guest_Telas_*

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 10:29 PM

Omtose, he's claiming guard.
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#1070 Guest_Omtose_*

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 10:30 PM

Fener;376316 said:

Gamelon, you mofo
you'on the list forever. if only I didn't knowyou were inno for sur for gurding you for two night straight, i'd vote for you in a second
on comp in a cafe, stupid keyboard making me write slowly


Kaschan and Telas need to tell us there whether they refute Fener being a guard. Soon.

Out for about half an hour.
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#1071 Guest_Fener_*

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 10:31 PM

holy mother uckig shit ood thing I decded to check on this from gods know where

I am guard (This is the kinda shit I REALLY wante to void, but this Khell bullshit's pissed me off something major)

Gamelon's CI. like, totaly, for both UB and BB. the ason I was SOO behind him on the Galain lynch
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#1072 Guest_Liosan_*

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 10:33 PM

Telas;376319 said:

@ Liosan

Nope, we're basing it on reasoning, discussion and case-making (which, admittedly could be wrong). See, for example, Omtose's post.

Thanks I saw. I cross posted with Omtose.
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#1073 Guest_Fener_*

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 10:33 PM

Since I'v rea on you ganging u to lynch me some 3 pages bck, I've been skimming

Kas + Telas are partnrs, I got that. wht are their roles?
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#1074 Guest_Telas_*

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 10:34 PM

It could be a possible final stunt to get someone to reveal as guard, therefore, I don't think I'll do anything. Except ignore it.

Think about it this way. Even if he was the real guard (which I don't think he is) the BB would know now, making Fener our first target when BB does die, because we would want to make sure he didn't choose that alt.
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#1075 Guest_Fener_*

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 10:37 PM

okay, fiine, do w/e you want.

this khell stunt was fucked up PRECISELY b/c it led to reveals. Which only help the scum.

to m y partnr: plz don't revel. let hm play on, I think tht's the best we can do for now

this fucking keyboard's gettng on my nerves, and i'm I hav to py for every etra minus with fricking coins.
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#1076 Guest_Telas_*

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 10:39 PM

Fener;376324 said:

Since I'v rea on you ganging u to lynch me some 3 pages bck, I've been skimming

Kas + Telas are partnrs, I got that. wht are their roles?


Oh dear, methinks the drink has made you non too subtle.
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#1077 Guest_Fener_*

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 10:39 PM

so in resume: fine send me to spoiler heavn,, so tht I can see who the FUCK was plying behinfd th Gamelon alt (and writ up a nice disemboweling scne for him in my gme) as well as pend my waking hours cursing th name of helendros for pourizinf this fake-climing BULLSHIT heer
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#1078 Guest_Telas_*

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 10:41 PM

Fener;376327 said:

okay, fiine, do w/e you want.

this khell stunt was fucked up PRECISELY b/c it led to reveals. Which only help the scum.

to m y partnr: plz don't revel. let hm play on, I think tht's the best we can do for now

this fucking keyboard's gettng on my nerves, and i'm I hav to py for every etra minus with fricking coins.



If you had a partner, why wouldn't you just PM this kind of message to them?
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#1079 Guest_Fener_*

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 10:41 PM

Telas;376328 said:

Oh dear, methinks the drink has made you non too subtle.


very funny
I amm in a computer store, using a "pay as you surf"work station, with a %^&ed up metallic keyboard with very unresponsiv buttons. writing in a hurry, and fuious at gamelon, for his stunt(doubly so, since i know for sur that he's inno)
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#1080 Guest_Fener_*

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Posted 28 August 2008 - 10:43 PM

Telas;376330 said:

If you had a partner, why wouldn't you just PM this kind of message to them?


Trust me, I will.
atm, my rage @ Gamelon's clouding my judgment somewhat.
When I ome up inno, you should know that I stil wish you guys good luck, regarless of th fct that we all are still walking round in circles. with the real Benses laughing their heads off
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