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Posted 23 August 2008 - 02:48 PM

I'm just curious, and I don't actually know anything about this stuff, but isn't "first in, last out" also some kind of american military motto?

I remember something like that from "we were soldiers" with Mel Gibson. But maybe that was only referring to the commander himself, as we see in the film he's the first who steps on to the battlefield and the film practically ends with the picture of the commander lifting his foot from the ground as the chopper takes off.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 03:29 PM

Pearl the demon: "Don't pity me."

A demon with a heart of gold?

But the Kallor quote is WIN
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 03:31 PM

Dont you mean "Pearl the demon: Do you pity me" ?, which is what he asks QB in GotM.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 08:53 PM

Grief;373651 said:

Dont you mean "Pearl the demon: Do you pity me" ?, which is what he asks QB in GotM.


I was referring to TTH, Pearl is carrying the fallen inside Dragnipur, and says "Do not pity me, please." to Ditch.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 10:53 PM

Ah. I havent re-read TTH as much as the others, so I remember fewer specific lines.
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Posted 24 August 2008 - 12:01 AM

Aptorian;373640 said:

I'm just curious, and I don't actually know anything about this stuff, but isn't "first in, last out" also some kind of american military motto?

I remember something like that from "we were soldiers" with Mel Gibson. But maybe that was only referring to the commander himself, as we see in the film he's the first who steps on to the battlefield and the film practically ends with the picture of the commander lifting his foot from the ground as the chopper takes off.


The U.S. Marine Corps official motto is Semper Fi. However, they have since WWII been used as shock troops in invasions, and are usually deemed "First in". Last out, on the otherhand, is usually not the idea, as they make poor Occupation troops.
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Posted 24 August 2008 - 01:30 PM

Grief;373810 said:

Ah. I havent re-read TTH as much as the others, so I remember fewer specific lines.


I've yet to do a reread, but it was one of the lines that kind of stuck out. I did not remember Pearls line in GotM, and I guess that Pearl must be a bit of an oddity back where he comes from.
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Posted 24 August 2008 - 02:26 PM

Poor Pearl, I'd forgotten all about him... ;)

Also, Kelly's motto, to cut the previous one short: "Heads. Spikes. Walls." Although Tyrion from ASOIAF said it first, it has a certain nice ring to it that the Emperor would love... :D
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Posted 24 August 2008 - 02:29 PM

I thought it weird that Pearl, a Korvala(sp?) demon was a kind of etheral entity in GotM but he was basically just a Kenrylalalala like demon in TTH.

Strange. Of course, I guess it would be hard to chain a glowing cloud of destruction
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Posted 24 August 2008 - 11:02 PM

You know far too much about demons Mr Apt!
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Posted 25 August 2008 - 07:11 PM

As noted else thread, 'first in, last out' is the unoffical motto of the Canadian Combat Engineers.

And Pearl was a Korvalah, not a Kenryryladida, so who says he can't have more than one form.

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 10:23 PM

Who's on second?
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Posted 25 August 2008 - 10:25 PM

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 10:53 PM

Abyss;374463 said:

And Pearl was a Korvalah, not a Kenryryladida, so who says he can't have more than one form.


I don't know, I just weren't expecting a "normal" demon when pearl reappered.

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 01:15 PM

I had the same reaction but figured it was a GotMism at worse and otherwise the demon had a smokey form and a big thunking bruiser form at best.


And either way he rocked the Dragnipur scenes.


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Posted 27 August 2008 - 04:02 AM

didn't he also have a dragon form????
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Posted 27 August 2008 - 04:21 AM

No, that was the Galayn Lord.
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Posted 27 August 2008 - 04:29 AM

ok...and who summoned him again? my memory is hazy about who was summoning what that night
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Posted 27 August 2008 - 09:02 AM

Quick Ben summoned him against the Tiste Andii. Here's the passage:

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The vial struck the rooftop and shattered with a thin tinkle. Beyond, the three assassins paused. Quick Ben remained, his eyes on the white smoke rising from the glass shards. A figure took form within the smoke, growing in size. Its shape was almost insubstantial, the smoke stretching like threads in places, curling like wool in others. All that was visible within it was its eyes, two black slits, which it slung to Quick Ben.


This isn't necessarily a contradiction. Compare it to Lorn summoning the Galayn Lord:

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She rose and threw it across the street. The flask struck a stone wall and shattered. Glowing red smoke curled upward, slowly taking shape.


It's possible Pearl simply hadn't fully materialized yet.
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Posted 27 August 2008 - 02:20 PM

Agreed, that's also possible.

Pearl is never clearly described. The bits we do get in TtH certainly suggest something Kenagorilla-like, but that doesn't mean much by itself.

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