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Plus the KCCM city shows signs of frantic insulation to try to keep out cold, implying attack from Omtose Phellack.
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Posted 19 July 2008 - 06:25 PM
Raraku;355040 said:
Under Letheras, the ruins of the KCCM civilization are below the ruins of the Jaghut. I think Kuru Qan mentions this in MT and somewhere in RG it is also mentioned. So the KCCM civilization predated the Jaghut civilization on the Lether continent at least. I can't find quotes for if this is true on any other continent. Any one else know ?
Their invasion is opposed by Jaghut in Seven Cities. TBH
Gothos is powerful enough already to form his death defying ritual in MT's prologue after the Edur & Andii have at it with the KCCM.
Trouble arrives when the opponents to such a system institute its extreme opposite, where individualism becomes godlike and sacrosanct, and no greater service to any other ideal (including community) is possible. In such a system rapacious greed thrives behind the guise of freedom, and the worst aspects of human nature come to the fore....
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Posted 19 July 2008 - 06:35 PM
Cause;355016 said:
Despite tulas talking about a million warriors, and kallor imagining a field of war littered with the dead. I still walked away from that conversation thinking the war must have been metaphorical
I would not be too sure of that. Jhaghut are undoubtly some of the most powerfull characters we have seen. But than we have seen a jhaghut mother fall to the spears of a few mortal imass. Power scales slide alot in SEs world. It is nice to imagine a million skilled warriors throwing out avalanches left right and centre though. Also lets not forget tha the kemalle are perhaps even stronger. Skykeeps, technology magic hybrids. Incredible levels of magic concentrated in the matrons.
I would not be too sure of that. Jhaghut are undoubtly some of the most powerfull characters we have seen. But than we have seen a jhaghut mother fall to the spears of a few mortal imass. Power scales slide alot in SEs world. It is nice to imagine a million skilled warriors throwing out avalanches left right and centre though. Also lets not forget tha the kemalle are perhaps even stronger. Skykeeps, technology magic hybrids. Incredible levels of magic concentrated in the matrons.
That's true. We also don't know what the state of the Jaghut back then. Was every Jaghut very powerful w/ magic? And yeah, the KCCM were bad ass. Look at the prologue of MT. All those Andii and Edurr and they still barely won against the KCCM.
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Posted 20 July 2008 - 07:55 PM
Dance;354691 said:
A theory...
Suppose the war on death was the creation of souls.
The KCCM bind everything to time, creating death. The Jaghut are naturally upset at this, so move on and try to seek something more permanent. They create a world/universe (whichever) spanning ritual, so that whenever someone dies a spiritual copy is created - a soul (alternatively, whenever something is born, a soul is also created, or every living being creates a soul naturally as it grows). This works fine initially, until the "dead" souls are building up (like in Lether), and until the Jaghut realize the souls can be enslaved and used for other purposes. To combat this one takes on the role of Hood, and collects the souls in his realm in order to protect them and save them for a time when they are needed.
Suppose the war on death was the creation of souls.
The KCCM bind everything to time, creating death. The Jaghut are naturally upset at this, so move on and try to seek something more permanent. They create a world/universe (whichever) spanning ritual, so that whenever someone dies a spiritual copy is created - a soul (alternatively, whenever something is born, a soul is also created, or every living being creates a soul naturally as it grows). This works fine initially, until the "dead" souls are building up (like in Lether), and until the Jaghut realize the souls can be enslaved and used for other purposes. To combat this one takes on the role of Hood, and collects the souls in his realm in order to protect them and save them for a time when they are needed.
Dance you could really be on to something here. There has to be a connection between the Jaghut war against death and the fact that Hood is a Jaghut. The war against death seemed to be described as a war against oblivion - against the complete end of existence after death.
The Jaghut lose the war, but create a temporary sanctuary for dead souls - Hood's realm - with one of their own as master. But that must mean that the long term sustainability of Hood's realm is very much in doubt. If it wasn't, the very existence of the realm would amount to a victory over death (and the Jaghut would be deemed victors). Oblivion is represented by the Chaos force in Dragnipur. When Hood brings his dead armies to aid the fight against Chaos it represents a re-opening of the war against death (Chaos).
Mind you, how this all segues with the Crippled God etc beats me.
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Posted 20 July 2008 - 09:31 PM
Karsa Oblong;355619 said:
Dance you could really be on to something here. There has to be a connection between the Jaghut war against death and the fact that Hood is a Jaghut. The war against death seemed to be described as a war against oblivion - against the complete end of existence after death.
The Jaghut lose the war, but create a temporary sanctuary for dead souls - Hood's realm - with one of their own as master. But that must mean that the long term sustainability of Hood's realm is very much in doubt. If it wasn't, the very existence of the realm would amount to a victory over death (and the Jaghut would be deemed victors). Oblivion is represented by the Chaos force in Dragnipur. When Hood brings his dead armies to aid the fight against Chaos it represents a re-opening of the war against death (Chaos).
Mind you, how this all segues with the Crippled God etc beats me.
The Jaghut lose the war, but create a temporary sanctuary for dead souls - Hood's realm - with one of their own as master. But that must mean that the long term sustainability of Hood's realm is very much in doubt. If it wasn't, the very existence of the realm would amount to a victory over death (and the Jaghut would be deemed victors). Oblivion is represented by the Chaos force in Dragnipur. When Hood brings his dead armies to aid the fight against Chaos it represents a re-opening of the war against death (Chaos).
Mind you, how this all segues with the Crippled God etc beats me.
after the book i was left wondering about that to some degree. sure there is throne in Daru, but this book the main villains were the Dying God and Chaos. another presumed villain, Kallor, went for a sure baddie to 'hmm he's growing on me'. I assume the stuff w/ Chaos will tie into the CG's plans but i'm not sure how yet.
