[lasombra]

I was rereading hoc.When lioric and osric r in the rararku memory osric says
the 7 deragoth killed of 3 skykeeps and wiped out most if not all the Moons spawn lizzards. Karsa kills 2 deragoth with ease but practily struggles for his live vs the short tail ...? story favours the hero.

[Dancer+]

The Deragoth were a race at one point. It wasn't seven Deragoth it was hundreds or thousands of them (I would assume).

[lasombra]

go re read lol. he saw it. it was captured in the memory. it was just a small pocket

[Kurt Montandon]

lasombra;298068 said:

I was rereading hoc.When lioric and osric r in the rararku memory osric says
the 7 deragoth killed of 3 skykeeps and wiped out most if not all the Moons spawn lizzards. Karsa kills 2 deragoth with ease but practily struggles for his live vs the short tail ...? story favours the hero.

He didn't use his sword versus the Short Tail.

And I wonder if Moon's Spawn was attacked by the Deragoth, or if it was a survivor of the KCCM vs. Edur/Andii war - I suspect we'll never know.

[lasombra]

karsa hardly used his sword vs deragoth he chopped only the 1. And osric says moonspawn was breeched by the deragoth. and then drifted away 2 into a glacier

[Optimus Prime]

lasombra;298086 said:

karsa hardly used his sword vs deragoth he chopped only the 1. And osric says moonspawn was breeched by the deragoth. and then drifted away 2 into a glacier

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The Deragoth are a primal force and who knows, perhaps the KCCM and Nahruk were their natural prey.

[Blacksox]

lasombra;298068 said:

I was rereading hoc.When lioric and osric r in the rararku memory osric says
the 7 deragoth killed of 3 skykeeps and wiped out most if not all the Moons spawn lizzards. Karsa kills 2 deragoth with ease but practily struggles for his live vs the short tail ...? story favours the hero.

1. Karsa does not use his sword verses the Nahruk.
2. It's probably a match up thing like the T'lan Ayay are superior for killing Kell Hunters because they are suited for hunting similar prey. The Deragoth may hold the same kind of advantage.

[Blacksox]

Xander;298089 said:

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The Deragoth are a primal force and who knows, perhaps the KCCM and Nahruk were their natural prey.

Hey we are thinking along the same lines.

[bhok'arala]

Whether or not he used the sword, he wouldn't have had to. He could beat them all with his fists the way he killed the T'orbhral

[lasombra]

he never killed the T'orbhral ?

[lasombra]

Xander;298089 said:

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The Deragoth are a primal force and who knows, perhaps the KCCM and Nahruk were their natural prey.

U forget they wernt their natural prey.They were invaders 2 the realm ;p


a quote "Your are saying moons spawn was originally one of these skykeeps that arrived here?'It was.Three have come in the time that I have been here. None survived the Deragoth.'

[Battalion]

This series is littered with these types of mistakes. This is one good example, another would be the Heboric/Karsa one.
Karsa attacks Heboric, Heboric twists Karsa up, and throws him away like a kitten.
Later, Karsa finds the Unbound, and smashes them to pieces.
Even later, the Unbound find Heboric and smash him to pieces.

And I personally don't perscribe to the 'Karsa wasn't hard at that time' theory.

Now I understand that just because you can beat someone who beats someone else, don't mean that you can automatically beat the someone else, but come on.

[Aptorian]

Battalion they aren't mistakes. They are just different events that had different variable circumstances that determined the outcome.

Heboric caught Karsa by surprise, Karsa had underestimated the power of the old man.

The death of heboric was also caused by Heboric being caught unaware and being overwhelmed by the strength of the Unbounds numbers and skill.

On another note, What is a T'orbhral? The KCCM he fought in BH?

[lasombra]

yes yes we call know about matchups/circumstances blah blah. But i mean 2 deragoth cmaaan and they were infused with the 2 shadow hounds!!

[Aptorian]

Erikson personally commented on the fight. He said it came down to a contest of will, Karsa simply would not lose the fight out of pure stubborness.

I do agree though, it was ridiculous that Karsa won.

[Zanth13]

My only real question is, is lasombra related to Sombra?

oh and we don’t know what type of creatures the Deragoth really are power wise...

As a race and or pack they could have unveiled power similar to what the Andii's do.

At their prime they could have been damn near unstoppable... they might not be anymore.

We don’t know the whole story so we cannot write off anything as mistakes or unexplained because it could be explained later.

[lasombra]

Zanth13 by prime do u mean mor numerous?Coz they specifcly quote the theyve been 7 for a long time and ruled when they were 7

[Aptorian]

Could you give us a quote?

[Zanth13]

lasombra;298422 said:

Zanth13 by prime do u mean mor numerous?Coz they specifcly quote the theyve been 7 for a long time and ruled when they were 7

I mean prime as in the peak of their power... back when they ruled...

Maybe being put in a statue for eons can weaken them... or any other explanations of why they might not be as powerful.

[lasombra]

'The Hounds of Darkness.The seven beasts that dessimbelackis made pact with - and oh, weren't the Nameless Ones shaken by that unholy alliance? The seven beasts, L'oric, that gave the name to Seven Cities, Although no memory survives of that particular truth. the Seven holy Cities of our time are not the original ones, of course. HoC p 607 uk