[kage]

i don't know, it's a hunch, but i think that T'amber is a goddess, or at least a ascendant. I had the same feeling back when i read MT about Bugg, and it was right, though i thought he was K'rul, not Mael, since they described Mael in the begining. I don't know, but maybe.......

[Aptorian]

T'amber was possessed by the Eres. I'm pretty certain of this allthough I can't remember why.

Basically, no one, not even an ascendant can survive the amount of body damage that T'amber was taking. It was the spirit of the Eres, powering T'amber, that was keeping her on her legs.

Damn, I really need to reread BH.

[Bauchelain the Evil]

Aptorian is completely right Lostara Yil discovers this thank to Grub just before T' Amber leaved this world and entered Hood' s gate. I can't give a quote because my tBH copy is upstair and I' m too lazy to climb to go two stores up.
The fact that T' Amber was possessed by Eres doesn't mean that she wasn't so deadly on her own

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[Salt-Man Z]

kage, you haven't finished BH yet, I take it?

[kage]

almost done, very, very close, i'm at the post that the fourthteen is fight the mod at Malaz City

[Aptorian]

Did I just ruin the ending?

If you're going to venture into the BH forum before you've finished the book, let us know how far you've got.

Spoilers are bad for you.

[kage]

i don't care, most of the time i forget them before i pick up the book again, but thanks for the concern.

[Aptorian]

You see that's the thing, unlike the uni material I have to read, I remember shit I read two years ago in these books.

I remember a spoiler in the RG forum, it R.U.I.N.E.D my read of that book. It was still great but... RAAAARGGHH.

[Dancer+]

I have the same frustration Apt, I remember clearly anything that has been spoilt - it's all downhill from there. I like to read the story naturally first time through as a general aim.

As others have mentioned T'amber was possessed by the Eres. I want to reread BH as it has a lot of Cot&ST in it plus the last 300 pages are quite epic.

[Optimus Prime]

Yeah...we should probably stop saying anything about T'amber.....until he finishes.

I definitely need to do a re-read of tBH....I need to refresh my memory about the last couple hundred pages.

[kage]

i finsihed it, and i, though think spoilers are kinda bad, think that read how you get to where ever the spoiler talked about is just as good, if not better than the thing itself

[redJAKO]

So....T'Amber? Decided to bump this thread rather then make a different one.

What was the purpose of the possession, I am thinking this mostly deals with a later book plot line...

Was she always possessed? I would think not during the earlier campaign...


Thoughts?

[Jude]

have you read RG? After that you may have a better understanding of what the Eres'al was up to with T'amber and Tavore.

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 Jude, on Nov 7 2008, 11:26 PM, said:

<br />have you read RG? After that you may have a better understanding of what the Eres'al was up to with T'amber and Tavore. <br /><br /><br />

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Yes, I'm starting on TtH....man did I miss something then lol.

[Jude]

It's nothing specific, but I'll spoiler it anyway because I feel that RG is when I really reached the conclusion and I thought it was looking pretty obvious. I am going to have to talk about RG alot here though so here's the spoilered goodness

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So I'm pretty sure that the Eres'al goddess' big thing is that she is opposing the CG and that posessing T'amber was her way of setting Tavore and the 14th up as an opposition army to the CG. Of course I could be completely wrong and I don't have any direct evidence but I thought the overall feel from the malazans in RG was pointing to this. So she posesses T'amber probably around when tBH starts (although it could have been earlier) and explains to Tavore how it has to go down and sets her sights on the way bigger picture. Tavore knows that she can't spill this out to the rest of the army because they'd be all "no! BULLshit! FUCK this! this is NOT what I signed up for" or something like that so she's all secretive about it and keeps them in the dark, which pisses them off anyway.
Then, they go and get themselves outlawed, so where does Tavore take them? To Lether, the empire with the CG's pawn at the top. She gives the excuse that they're avenging the malazans who suffered because of the Edur raids but that seems like a pretty over the top excuse in selflessness to me, as it did to some of the members of the 14th as I remember. She knows that the Edur are players for the CG (the biggest and most powerful that WE know at this time anyway) because T'amber told her and the Eres'al for sure knew which team the Edur were playing for. This is demonstrated simply in that she spent the entire tBH aiding characters who are opposing them (Bottle and Quick vs the Warlocks and Quick and Trull vs Icarium who was working for the Edur at the time) With that, it just looked alot to me like she posessed T'amber to give Tavore some insight into what was going to go down if the CG became king shit.

[Astraphobia]

Dang, Jude, I really need to reread my tBH and RG now... Especially RG. That's one slow book! I'm pretty sure that I leafed over some important areas while reading :[

[Almar mae' Ka'zole]

Ya me too. Might be a dumb question but how much of herself did the Eres'al give of herself cause she was following Bottle around too right?

[Jude]

she probably de-posessed T'amber at certain times. That's a good enough explanation for ME. yep. I'm gonna take MY word for it

[Bauchelain the Evil]

If I remember crrectly she could time-travel. So being in two places at one shouldn't be a problem for her,right?

[D'rek]

The Eres'al didn't posess T'amber the way, say, Cotillion possessed Sorry. T'amber was still conscious and in control-ish, she would just have had increased skill, lots of arcane knowledge, weird desires and wills projected by the Eres'al, and the ability to take a lot of mortal damage before finally dying... The posession being not quite so all-consuming is probably what allowed the Eres'al to multitask with Bottle and the wind and such.