Tsundoku, on 22 May 2020 - 10:37 AM, said:
So it will be a Director's Cut of a Director's Cut ... ?
No. JUSTICE LEAGUE as it was released in theatres was 75-90% Joss Whedon. Zack Snyder was well into Post-Production (Principle Photography took place April - Oct 2016) when his daughter died and WB took that as their "out" and Brought in Whedon. Whedon proceeded (either by instruction or by his own ideas) then rewrote some 80 pages of the script. It was so extensive that the Screenwriters guild allowed Whedon a writing credit (for this to happen, the film would have to look completely different from what it had been before he touched it; this happened with Tony Gilroy getting that credit on ROGUE ONE). In July 2017 Whedon shot two months of new footage, including the need for the infamous moustache CGI (because Henry had moved onto MI:6). So 80 script pages, and 60 days of filming. Add in the fact that Junkie XL had finished the score under Snyder but it was ditched completely so Whedon could bring in Danny Elfman who rewrote it (and delivered a lacklustre score). DOP for Snyder's version was Fabian Wagner (the same guy who shot The Battle Of The Bastards for GOT) and he recently did a Q&A about another film he was on and people asked him about JL, and he swears that what ended up on the screen in JL was about a fraction of what he shot with Zack.
TL:DR JUSTICE LEAGUE may have still had Zack's name on it, but it's not his film, intended or otherwise.
So it will be a Directors Intended Cut, and not some bastard abomination of two completely different directors, one of whom reshot and rewrote 3/4 of it.
EDIT: Least of all the deliverance on a number of plot points from BvS that were never answered in Whedon's version. There's little tiny things in BvS that pay off in the Snyder Cut...like the fact that the film Martha and Thomas Wayne took Bruce to the night they were shot was 1981's EXCALIBUR...a film about King Arthur...and JL had scenes of King Arthur finding a mother box on earth in the deep past, or revealing Harry Lennix character as Martian Manhunter, or reference to the Green Lanterns, and especially Darkseid being the shadow behind Steppenwolf.
I think Darkseid especially is something that never should have been cut. It gives credence to everything. Hell, the whole Knightmare sequence and Future Flash's "warning" that fuels Bruce's drive to kill Superman both come from a future that they need to avoid. The Darkseid future. From what I understand there was to be another Knightmare sequence in JL to expand upon that worldbuilding.
JL also ignores the whole raison d'etre of Superman's rebirth being entered around Lois, as notioned in the Flash warning from BvS that Lois is the key. Removing that from JL just makes the Superman resurrection too weightless. All the Star Labs stuff was dropped to Cyborg just appears out of nowhere.
And apparently the entire third act is 100% different...including Steppenwolfs design...he was never intended to be a big humanoid dude with a helmet on...rather a much more alien-looking thing.
EDIT 2: I also find it interesting that everyone involved in the film is chuffed about this finally getting a release, every last actor and crew person is excited....but at sites like io9, screen junkies, collider and other places the #ReleaseTheSnyderCut movement has been met with not only utter disdain, but with ridicule and accusations of fanboying and trolling...think about that for a second. The filmmaker and cast and crew of the originally intended film want to see it released, and it's STILL being treated with derision. Go read any of those sites and their articles about this news and even the disdain dripping through the page while being a LITTLE bit accommodating about it...it's stunning to see various examples of the media not being able to eat any crow about stuff like this. You will get as many clicks if you say "Yeah. we were wrong" as you will by saying "Well, you trolls got what you wanted, maybe now you'll shut up about it"...I think someone made a supercut on YT showing all the instances of people swearing that Snyder never had a "cut" and it doesn't exist...which was silly on the face of the fact that he did have a cut. Said he did, and screened it for WB before counting post-production. Was it finished? Nope. But it was still a rough cut.
Sorry, I know I'm chatty about this, but it's exciting that all the time later we will finally see this film.
This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 22 May 2020 - 12:41 PM
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