[lordavenger]

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He was thinking of the D'ivers hounds, all those centuries past. Assailing him from all sides, Even with the fullness of his power, they had nearly torn him apart.

Draconus after the fight with Caplo, when MD is comforting him. Anyone else think that this is the Deragoth? That would tie in with them enslaving the Eres'al. And give them a whole new level of power! A match for Drac in his prime!

Sorry for the exclamation marks. But I'm pretty excited by this. Anyone else feel the same?

Also, long time lurker, infrequent poster. Thank you all for your contributions, especially Abyss, TRB, Andorion and Kanyemander.

This post has been edited by lordavenger: 25 June 2016 - 01:26 PM

[nacht]

 lordavenger, on 25 June 2016 - 01:26 PM, said:

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He was thinking of the D'ivers hounds, all those centuries past. Assailing him from all sides, Even with the fullness of his power, they had nearly torn him apart.

Draconus after the fight with Caplo, when MD is comforting him. Anyone else think that this is the Deragoth? That would tie in with them enslaving the Eres'al. And give them a whole new level of power! A match for Drac in his prime!

Sorry for the exclamation marks. But I'm pretty excited by this. Anyone else feel the same?

Also, long time lurker, infrequent poster. Thank you all for your contributions, especially Abyss, TRB, Andorion and Kanyemander.

Nice connection.

[Coltaine -]

 lordavenger, on 25 June 2016 - 01:26 PM, said:

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He was thinking of the D'ivers hounds, all those centuries past. Assailing him from all sides, Even with the fullness of his power, they had nearly torn him apart.

Draconus after the fight with Caplo, when MD is comforting him. Anyone else think that this is the Deragoth? That would tie in with them enslaving the Eres'al. And give them a whole new level of power! A match for Drac in his prime!

Sorry for the exclamation marks. But I'm pretty excited by this. Anyone else feel the same?

Also, long time lurker, infrequent poster. Thank you all for your contributions, especially Abyss, TRB, Andorion and Kanyemander.

And another cameo found. Thanks. I did not made that connection during my read.

I think SE had a lot of fun with putting as much hints as possible into the book. Or we start seeing connections he never intended.

[Ozymandiac]

I'm not following your case. Where are you quoting from?

[nacht]

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he was thinking of the D'ivers hounds, all those centuries past. Assailing him from all sides. Even with the fullness of his power, they had nearly torn him apart. 'Nothing of import,' he said after a moment. 'Just memories.'

[lordavenger]

 Ozymandiac, on 25 June 2016 - 07:33 PM, said:

I'm not following your case. Where are you quoting from?

This is FoL. Right after Drac's battle with Caplo, when MD comes to comfort/ heal him.

[Nevyn]

Yes, I assumed it was the Deragoth.

[Ozymandiac]

 lordavenger, on 26 June 2016 - 07:27 AM, said:

 Ozymandiac, on 25 June 2016 - 07:33 PM, said:

I'm not following your case. Where are you quoting from?

This is FoL. Right after Drac's battle with Caplo, when MD comes to comfort/ heal him.

Ah thanks.

Interesting, I completely missed that. Will reread it, thanks for sharing.

[Abyss]

I had the same reaction, but it was offset by the suggestion that those Hounds Drac was remembering had been D'ivers, whereas as far as we know, the Deragoth were not.But 'as far as we know' is a massive qualifier in a series where in theory every single dragon is part of a huge d'ivers, so its a valid theory either way.

[lordavenger]

 Abyss, on 02 July 2016 - 04:40 PM, said:

I had the same reaction, but it was offset by the suggestion that those Hounds Drac was remembering had been D'ivers, whereas as far as we know, the Deragoth were not.But 'as far as we know' is a massive qualifier in a series where in theory every single dragon is part of a huge d'ivers, so its a valid theory either way.

Yes. I had in fact assumed that this was Dessimbelackis. But of course the time line would not permit that. Unless Dessimbelackis was the Azathanai responsible for Humans.

[Abyss]

 lordavenger, on 03 July 2016 - 08:39 AM, said:

....Unless Dessimbelackis was the Azathanai responsible for Humans.

Based on that Azathii who popped out three races already and is working on a fourth, that is curiously possible.

[NefaraisBredd]

Dissemblackis wasnt even born yet. And im pretty certain that SE stayes that the deragoth were the last remaining of their species when he poured his soul into their bodies.

[nacht]

 NefaraisBredd, on 07 July 2016 - 01:11 PM, said:

Dissemblackis wasnt even born yet. And im pretty certain that SE stayes that the deragoth were the last remaining of their species when he poured his soul into their bodies.

Agree.
Caplo's experience.is an example of this.
Caplo merged with some entity from a different place/time to become the panther d'vers.

[nacht]

 nacht, on 07 July 2016 - 05:57 PM, said:

 NefaraisBredd, on 07 July 2016 - 01:11 PM, said:

Dissemblackis wasnt even born yet. And im pretty certain that SE stayes that the deragoth were the last remaining of their species when he poured his soul into their bodies.

Agree.
Caplo's experience.is an example of this.
Caplo merged with some entity from a different place/time to become the panther d'vers.

While Caplo succeeded, Dessimbelackis seemed to have failed to maintain control over his consciousness.

[Randomander]

 lordavenger, on 25 June 2016 - 01:26 PM, said:

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He was thinking of the D'ivers hounds, all those centuries past. Assailing him from all sides, Even with the fullness of his power, they had nearly torn him apart.

Draconus after the fight with Caplo, when MD is comforting him. Anyone else think that this is the Deragoth? That would tie in with them enslaving the Eres'al. And give them a whole new level of power! A match for Drac in his prime!

Sorry for the exclamation marks. But I'm pretty excited by this. Anyone else feel the same?

Also, long time lurker, infrequent poster. Thank you all for your contributions, especially Abyss, TRB, Andorion and Kanyemander.

Its also implied via a conversation between Draconus and Olar Ethil that Draconus is much strogner now that he was in ages past. Paraphrasing but the conversation was something like "I could take them all from you right now and there is nothing you could do to stop me" to which Draconus responds "That may have been true once, but i invite you to try now".

[Abyss]

Yeah, i think the difference may have been that Drac had becme draconic, which would also explain why his finnest was so ragey.

As for Dessimbelackis, by all reports he was human, but weve seen Azathanii effectively become any race at all. I doubt the theory, but its not ridiculous at all when Skillen is walking around as a Kchain Chemalle Shigalle assassin.

[Prime Rake]

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Yeah, i think the difference may have been that Drac had becme draconic, which would also explain why his finnest was so ragey.

Feels wrong disagreeing with a legend of this forum who I've seen and agreed with many times over the years.. But it was said the Finnest was evil because Spite and Envy had twisted it with their evil thoughts and intentions when they were hiding out beneath it. Will try and find the quote but only read FoL once, still a bit sketchy.

[worry]

Ooooooooooh, baby! Heads are gonna roll over this one! Yer yankin the tiger's tail now, kid!

[Prime Rake]

Ha! Still haven't be able to find it, but it stuck with me for some reason. I'll find it, I'm determined!