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#1 User is offline   Egwene 

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Posted 23 April 2015 - 12:47 PM

Ruthan Gudd - I was just re-reading the section where he meets up with Bottle after the battle with the N'ahruk (tCG, Chapter 2) and it struck me that he seems to have a weird sense of humour which reminded me very much of the likes of Raest, Hood and other Jaghut... could he be....
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Posted 23 April 2015 - 01:22 PM

View PostEgwene, on 23 April 2015 - 12:47 PM, said:

Ruthan Gudd - I was just re-reading the section where he meets up with Bottle after the battle with the N'ahruk (tCG, Chapter 2) and it struck me that he seems to have a weird sense of humour which reminded me very much of the likes of Raest, Hood and other Jaghut... could he be....


Sure, he could. But FWIW the T'lan Imass bowed to him and called him Elder, rather than say, trying to kill him.
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Posted 27 April 2015 - 01:21 AM

View PostNevyn, on 23 April 2015 - 01:22 PM, said:

View PostEgwene, on 23 April 2015 - 12:47 PM, said:

Ruthan Gudd - I was just re-reading the section where he meets up with Bottle after the battle with the N'ahruk (tCG, Chapter 2) and it struck me that he seems to have a weird sense of humour which reminded me very much of the likes of Raest, Hood and other Jaghut... could he be....


Sure, he could. But FWIW the T'lan Imass bowed to him and called him Elder, rather than say, trying to kill him.


Also, why would he need the stormriders magic if he had access to Omtose Phelleck?
Although, he could just be hiding that to maintain a deception, but i dont think so
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Posted 28 April 2015 - 11:29 AM

View Postmelonhead, on 27 April 2015 - 01:21 AM, said:

View PostNevyn, on 23 April 2015 - 01:22 PM, said:

View PostEgwene, on 23 April 2015 - 12:47 PM, said:

Ruthan Gudd - I was just re-reading the section where he meets up with Bottle after the battle with the N'ahruk (tCG, Chapter 2) and it struck me that he seems to have a weird sense of humour which reminded me very much of the likes of Raest, Hood and other Jaghut... could he be....


Sure, he could. But FWIW the T'lan Imass bowed to him and called him Elder, rather than say, trying to kill him.


Also, why would he need the stormriders magic if he had access to Omtose Phelleck?
Although, he could just be hiding that to maintain a deception, but i dont think so


Good points. It was just that Gudd's sense of humour struck me when I read that section and thinking about where I had encountered a similar type before, the Jaghut sprang to mind. I think the T'lan not chopping him up is probably the best argument for him not being a hidden Jaghut. The use of Stormrider magic not so much as unveiling Omtose Phellack might have drawn attention he was trying to avoid. Other powerful magic users make use of different types depending on circumstances as well, so why not Gudd.

Well, still think, he would fit right in with Hood and his cohorts even with the wrong pedigree :)
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Posted 29 April 2015 - 08:58 AM

View PostEgwene, on 28 April 2015 - 11:29 AM, said:

View Postmelonhead, on 27 April 2015 - 01:21 AM, said:

View PostNevyn, on 23 April 2015 - 01:22 PM, said:

View PostEgwene, on 23 April 2015 - 12:47 PM, said:

Ruthan Gudd - I was just re-reading the section where he meets up with Bottle after the battle with the N'ahruk (tCG, Chapter 2) and it struck me that he seems to have a weird sense of humour which reminded me very much of the likes of Raest, Hood and other Jaghut... could he be....


Sure, he could. But FWIW the T'lan Imass bowed to him and called him Elder, rather than say, trying to kill him.


Also, why would he need the stormriders magic if he had access to Omtose Phelleck?
Although, he could just be hiding that to maintain a deception, but i dont think so


Good points. It was just that Gudd's sense of humour struck me when I read that section and thinking about where I had encountered a similar type before, the Jaghut sprang to mind. I think the T'lan not chopping him up is probably the best argument for him not being a hidden Jaghut. The use of Stormrider magic not so much as unveiling Omtose Phellack might have drawn attention he was trying to avoid. Other powerful magic users make use of different types depending on circumstances as well, so why not Gudd.

Well, still think, he would fit right in with Hood and his cohorts even with the wrong pedigree :)


You do have a point there. If he was Jaghut i dont suppose he would go throwing Omtose Phellack around, not with a few sneaky T'lan around the place.

And you are right, he most certainly would fit in with that bunch. I would love to see it happen, however unlikely it is.
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Posted 29 April 2015 - 02:59 PM

Just to complicate the point, Gudd may not like using his own power, or may not be very good at it, so using the Stormrider sword offered a preferred option, plus the appearance that any power he had came from an external source, not his own, further clouding his identity.
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Posted 29 April 2015 - 11:14 PM

He might have picked up said humor by way of being Arathan and living amongst the Jaghut for a period of time.... Or had it passed on by his father who might have.
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