[Eloth]

I have no real preference between Lock and Monok and Rikkter. Lock's talk was confusing and muddled and the book talk after doesn't really help his case, but then Lock could just as easily be a confused and muddled person.


With Monok and Rikkter, there's even less there, other than the feeling that because day 1 lynch choices have been so spot on in some recent games (usually through sheer luck), that we could do worse than with going with the first choices on the menu!

Now that is some informed, logical reasoning if I ever did do some!

[Ampelas]

Lock, on 13 March 2014 - 08:39 PM, said:

Ok I'll tone it down with the speculation then. three days in I guess we need a lynch. guess I'm it.

I thought I was helping us work out what we'd be facing. if I'm likely the distraction I guess I played poorly. my bad. just wanted us to get talking other than being pissed off about what happened earlier.

To be fair, you did get us talking. It's just now we're talking about you.

[Tiamatha]

Eloth, on 13 March 2014 - 08:54 PM, said:

I have no real preference between Lock and Monok and Rikkter. Lock's talk was confusing and muddled and the book talk after doesn't really help his case, but then Lock could just as easily be a confused and muddled person.


With Monok and Rikkter, there's even less there, other than the feeling that because day 1 lynch choices have been so spot on in some recent games (usually through sheer luck), that we could do worse than with going with the first choices on the menu!

Now that is some informed, logical reasoning if I ever did do some!

Nice middle of the road post.

I do agree that there isn't really any distinction between the three. However I feel that Lock's posts after his claw post smacks of desperation.

Vote Lock

[Eloth]

Tiamatha, on 13 March 2014 - 09:21 PM, said:

Eloth, on 13 March 2014 - 08:54 PM, said:

I have no real preference between Lock and Monok and Rikkter. Lock's talk was confusing and muddled and the book talk after doesn't really help his case, but then Lock could just as easily be a confused and muddled person.


With Monok and Rikkter, there's even less there, other than the feeling that because day 1 lynch choices have been so spot on in some recent games (usually through sheer luck), that we could do worse than with going with the first choices on the menu!

Now that is some informed, logical reasoning if I ever did do some!

Nice middle of the road post.

I do agree that there isn't really any distinction between the three. However I feel that Lock's posts after his claw post smacks of desperation.

Vote Lock

Thanks. Middle of the road on day 1 when you don't know shit seems sensible to me

[Lock]

Ha yeah true enough. ANYTHING I say may dig my grave but I think I should lay out some perspective.


Rikkter named me nemesis. We are fated to do battle it seems!

2 Votes on me, going off my muddled debate on the scene posts, is fair but Rikkters vote landed me on even pegging with him. I mean its a bit bizarre to echo someone this closely on thread Day 1 right? We post in similar patterns and are garnering suspicion early game. Starting to feel like I'm being tagged here.

The case against Rikkter isn't all that flimsy. Rikkter is eager as am I, any redirect argument works just as easily in his case pinning blame onto me. Also he claimed he'd be out to get me initially and here we are! I spewed gibberish on thread in a muddle to get talking and I have to own up to that. It was Poorly done.

Still do not see how any of the things I listed make sense this early in an M&P game for anyone trying to hint anything. Speculating early game is always risky as it pins a spotlight on you but I thought it'd be the way to get on with things. Thats really the extent of it. I think votes on me are
a bit forced, making a meal of things. Atleast one of the people on my vote train is being opportunistic. Thats my 2 coins worth.

[Tiamatha]

Eloth, on 13 March 2014 - 09:23 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 13 March 2014 - 09:21 PM, said:

Eloth, on 13 March 2014 - 08:54 PM, said:

I have no real preference between Lock and Monok and Rikkter. Lock's talk was confusing and muddled and the book talk after doesn't really help his case, but then Lock could just as easily be a confused and muddled person.


With Monok and Rikkter, there's even less there, other than the feeling that because day 1 lynch choices have been so spot on in some recent games (usually through sheer luck), that we could do worse than with going with the first choices on the menu!

Now that is some informed, logical reasoning if I ever did do some!

Nice middle of the road post.

I do agree that there isn't really any distinction between the three. However I feel that Lock's posts after his claw post smacks of desperation.

Vote Lock

Thanks. Middle of the road on day 1 when you don't know shit seems sensible to me

I completely agree.

[Okral Lom]

This was not what I was expecting when I came back to the thread.
Um I'm having some computer troubles and/or managed to somehow missed everything that happened between the beginning of page three and Eloth's comment so I wasn't trying to find an in game reason to lynch Silchas. And I'm not really sure why people freaked out over his comments either? Also joining the general wtf at the self inflicted mod-kill.

And I really don't know who to vote for. Bah day 1.

[Okral Lom]

Also I will be doing stuff, but around if anyone wants to talk

At this stage I'll probably go with the biggest train for the sake of a lynch, but at the moment that's Lock who is actually my least favourite of the three to vote for, although I've not got much to go on for why that might be so mehhh.

[Ampelas]

The original vote for Monok was based on a post about fish-based lubricant that was commented on by Denul. To single that post out, in the middle of a conversation about homosexual were-dolphins, seems a little like cherry-picking.

Likewise, the vote on Rikkter was based on being eager to start and on contributing off-topic discussions.

While I tend to believe Lock when he says he was just trying get conversation started, I also think he is our only realistic lynch target for day. Some of his speculation hinted at having knowledge that the rest of us don't, and seems be trying to make the game more difficult than it is by suggesting that there are multiple factions.

vote Lock

[Okaros]

So where are we right now, Lock at L-4? About 2 hours till timeout?

[Okaros]

I mostly think Lock got his lore mixed up and didn't read the scenes carefully enough, but I agree that his response was less than ideal. None of the current targets are particularly convincing but I am willing to vote Lock to get a lynch, and with the modkill we still need 9 votes out of 15 to lynch, instead of 8 out of 15. So that's the burden of an extra vote that we wouldn't normally need.

For now I'm going to

Remove Vote
Vote Lock

[Lock]

Yep.

Okaros, on 13 March 2014 - 06:00 PM, said:

Ok, so day 1 still pretty slow. Day 1 votes are coming out like a normal game; cases built on nothing are usually better than actual nothing, since they at least provoke argument/defense/discussion. But I agree with whoever said the current votes are weak and oddly, looking at Silchas... I think he's probably telling the truth about the RP bit, but that doesn't mean it's the WHOLE truth. It could be RP AND a bit of signalling/truth/info. And of course the best place to hide information like that would be in the context of RP, which is perfect in this game since pretty much everyone is here in the first place because they love Malaz, so it's always familiar territory. So there's that.

The whole whoops-everyone-is-taking-offense-at-this-post bit doesn't bother me much. Who really cares? It certainly wouldn't be lynch-worthy in my eyes, even on day 1. But it's the mild-mannered self-offering-on-the-lynch-platter comment from Silchas that gets me. Anyone who self-votes or offers to be lynched is automatically a lynch target in my mind, because it is a play that makes no sense except from an "emotional appeal" perspective (AND THIS IS MAFIA, NO ONE CARES HOW YOU FEEL BITCH). Play like this always hurts whatever side the player is on. If he's scum, it's bad because it makes you a lynch target and on day 1 that is pretty fucking bad. If he's town, it's still bad, because it's just plain and simple bad town play. Assuming you're just some RI posting around and RPing and whatever, offering to be lynched never helps town. In M&P games, RIs win the game for town - that is their only job, to stay alive and study the thread and connect information to find scum. If you know you're town but you think your lynch won't matter cause you're just RI, you are wrong. If we DO lynch you, it was a waste, and not just because we lost a town player, but because that player (Silchas in this case) knows he's town but redirects the lynch onto himself. He should know it's always better to lynch an unknown than a confirmed RI. Yes, you might hit another townie of course, but this is expected, especially on day 1. What we do gain from the lynch is train information and new info to analyze on day 2. So I HATE HATE HATE the self-lynch offering. If you're doing it for meta reasons, like low posting, either ride out the low poster game or get modkilled and stop playing so we don't waste our most important info-gathering tool on you - the lynch.

All that being said, it's unfortunate that Silchas has already made this play because it just makes me think we have to lynch him. Offering to be lynched is inherently suspicious, because it implies bad play (reasoning above) or weaseling out of the spotlight out of pathos from other players. Pathos has no place in Mafia, so the suspicion always remains unless we all sympathize with the poor man's plight and decide to basically CI him for the rest of the game, since it's not often we revisit lynch targets unless they do something egregious that pings the scumdar.

Anyway, that was too long a post to say that I think Silchas made a mistake that deserves pressure unless a more obvious target presents itself.

Vote Silchas

for now. I should probably be around until timeout though.

Ok well I need to sleep, sorry but I cant figure out how to make a lynch train on me go away, think I failed at my role. I angled my approach post the above quote informed by the self same content in that post. Take from that what you will. Its frustrating! I made waves when I promised myself I wouldn't. I think its fair to say I will enjoy SH. this game has been nothing but drama.

[Kilava]

Okaros, on 13 March 2014 - 09:54 PM, said:

So where are we right now, Lock at L-4? About 2 hours till timeout?

Yes L-3 now and 90 minutes left

Edit: 90, not 92

This post has been edited by Kilava: 13 March 2014 - 10:13 PM

[Eloth]

Kilava, on 13 March 2014 - 10:10 PM, said:

Okaros, on 13 March 2014 - 09:54 PM, said:

So where are we right now, Lock at L-4? About 2 hours till timeout?

Yes L-3 now and 92 minutes left

Make that L-2.


Vote Lock

[Okral Lom]

At this point should we just be encouraging voting and getting the day over with? I don't know if anything more productive will happen with this day.

[Eloth]

Eloth, on 13 March 2014 - 10:13 PM, said:

Kilava, on 13 March 2014 - 10:10 PM, said:

Okaros, on 13 March 2014 - 09:54 PM, said:

So where are we right now, Lock at L-4? About 2 hours till timeout?

Yes L-3 now and 92 minutes left

Make that L-2.


Vote Lock

Hmm, having done that, I've just seen that Lock appears to be claiming a role.

[Okral Lom]

Yeah people said they thought Lock had more info. Doesn't necessarily follow that it they're scum.

[Okaros]

Hmm, I agree, interesting development.

[Ampelas]

Eloth, on 13 March 2014 - 10:15 PM, said:

Eloth, on 13 March 2014 - 10:13 PM, said:

Kilava, on 13 March 2014 - 10:10 PM, said:

Okaros, on 13 March 2014 - 09:54 PM, said:

So where are we right now, Lock at L-4? About 2 hours till timeout?

Yes L-3 now and 92 minutes left

Make that L-2.


Vote Lock

Hmm, having done that, I've just seen that Lock appears to be claiming a role.

If he's claiming a role I think he's left it too late. If we don't lynch him now we're going to have day one all over again tomorrow and he'll probably still get lynched.

[Kilava]

Eloth, on 13 March 2014 - 10:15 PM, said:

Eloth, on 13 March 2014 - 10:13 PM, said:

Kilava, on 13 March 2014 - 10:10 PM, said:

Okaros, on 13 March 2014 - 09:54 PM, said:

So where are we right now, Lock at L-4? About 2 hours till timeout?

Yes L-3 now and 92 minutes left

Make that L-2.


Vote Lock

Hmm, having done that, I've just seen that Lock appears to be claiming a role.

Going on recent history we're lynching Sorry on Day 1?