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i read a thread about him, i might have missed this, but is there a chance that grub is actually kellanved's son ?
or kellanved's ... extension/possessed child/youfilltheblank ?
with all the wierdness involving him, specifically his knowledge of events that are happening or will happen, implying a relation to a certain unknown being.
so... there seems to be a possibility that he is his son :
1) ST and cotillion foresee the fall of the malazan empire under laseen (in GOTM).
2) they prepared grub as a future emperor.
also, in the last few pages the meeting between tays and ST :
tays tells ST "fear for your own child".
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Posted 20 June 2010 - 06:22 PM
The "child" is the Malazan Empire.
As for the heritage of Grub, RAFO.
As for the heritage of Grub, RAFO.
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H.D., on 03 May 2010 - 01:03 AM, said:
Because he's the horse Texas deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll ride him because he can run fast. Because he's not our hero. He's a neighing equine, a talking horse. A prancing pony.
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Posted 20 June 2010 - 06:30 PM
Aptorian, on 20 June 2010 - 06:22 PM, said:
The "child" is the Malazan Empire.
As for the heritage of Grub, RAFO.
As for the heritage of Grub, RAFO.
except for DG (which is later revoked) there's no place in the first 8 books that his heritage is mentioned.
also, if you read that passage in context i don't think u can say the "child" is the empire.
especialy since ST has bigger issues now.
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Posted 20 June 2010 - 06:34 PM
There's been at least a dozen threads on the topic of "Shadowthrones Child". Go do a search, the discussion has been done to death. It's the empire. Not Temper. Not Grub. Just the Empire.
As for Grub, have you read DOD yet?
As for Grub, have you read DOD yet?
H.D., on 03 May 2010 - 01:03 AM, said:
Because he's the horse Texas deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll ride him because he can run fast. Because he's not our hero. He's a neighing equine, a talking horse. A prancing pony.
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Posted 20 June 2010 - 06:42 PM
Aptorian, on 20 June 2010 - 06:34 PM, said:
There's been at least a dozen threads on the topic of "Shadowthrones Child". Go do a search, the discussion has been done to death. It's the empire. Not Temper. Not Grub. Just the Empire.
As for Grub, have you read DOD yet?
As for Grub, have you read DOD yet?
no, if there's an answer there, i will wait patiently.
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Posted 20 June 2010 - 06:45 PM
I'm sure there was some hints here and there between DG and DOD, but DOD certainly alludes to a very clear origin of the child that Keneb adopts.
H.D., on 03 May 2010 - 01:03 AM, said:
Because he's the horse Texas deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll ride him because he can run fast. Because he's not our hero. He's a neighing equine, a talking horse. A prancing pony.
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Posted 21 June 2010 - 02:59 AM
haroos, on 20 June 2010 - 06:30 PM, said:
Aptorian, on 20 June 2010 - 06:22 PM, said:
The "child" is the Malazan Empire.
As for the heritage of Grub, RAFO.
As for the heritage of Grub, RAFO.
except for DG (which is later revoked) there's no place in the first 8 books that his heritage is mentioned.
also, if you read that passage in context i don't think u can say the "child" is the empire.
especialy since ST has bigger issues now.
There is a quote from a future historian who says that Grub is the fist sword of the later period Empire.
As for reading the passage. How can you not say that the empire is not ST child. Like any parent he still watches over it and wants it to do well. But knows that he can no longer protect it or guide it. That it has to make its own mistakes and learn its way in the world with out him.
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How many fucking people do I have to hammer in order to get that across.
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Posted 21 June 2010 - 11:54 AM
Besides, we know that Grub will become First Sword to the Empire (stated in HoC, so no spoiler)
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Posted 25 June 2010 - 09:51 PM
Oh man! I really cant remember any mention of Grubs lineage in DoD!
Thats really gonna bugg me now. If someone is kind enough to share a page reference or just point me in the right direction of the quote that would be a great help and I would forever be in your debt.
Thats really gonna bugg me now. If someone is kind enough to share a page reference or just point me in the right direction of the quote that would be a great help and I would forever be in your debt.
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Posted 26 June 2010 - 01:41 AM
Lazar, on 25 June 2010 - 09:51 PM, said:
Oh man! I really cant remember any mention of Grubs lineage in DoD!
Thats really gonna bugg me now. If someone is kind enough to share a page reference or just point me in the right direction of the quote that would be a great help and I would forever be in your debt.
Thats really gonna bugg me now. If someone is kind enough to share a page reference or just point me in the right direction of the quote that would be a great help and I would forever be in your debt.
Bantam. UK. HC. pg 446. Not much there, but something
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Posted 26 June 2010 - 11:16 AM
thanks for that
also, i don't think Ive ever seen anyone on here abbreviate The Chain of Dogs, to just like 'The Chain', or the 'CoD'. I believe this is because of the overwhelmingly bad ass name, which is so cool people cant help writing it in full. God I love that name.
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also, i don't think Ive ever seen anyone on here abbreviate The Chain of Dogs, to just like 'The Chain', or the 'CoD'. I believe this is because of the overwhelmingly bad ass name, which is so cool people cant help writing it in full. God I love that name.
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Posted 26 June 2010 - 11:35 AM
Lazar, on 25 June 2010 - 09:51 PM, said:
Oh man! I really cant remember any mention of Grubs lineage in DoD!
Thats really gonna bugg me now. If someone is kind enough to share a page reference or just point me in the right direction of the quote that would be a great help and I would forever be in your debt.
Thats really gonna bugg me now. If someone is kind enough to share a page reference or just point me in the right direction of the quote that would be a great help and I would forever be in your debt.
It's towards the end of the book when Grub and Sinn have been on a field trip through the warrens. Sinn makes an educated guess at where Grub came from and what he is.
H.D., on 03 May 2010 - 01:03 AM, said:
Because he's the horse Texas deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll ride him because he can run fast. Because he's not our hero. He's a neighing equine, a talking horse. A prancing pony.
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Posted 28 June 2010 - 04:38 PM
Just while we are speaking of parentage....
From DG Cotillion speaks with Apt concerning how he and his "daughter" have had a falling out, and it was his "daughter" that is the one who slighted him. Is he referring to Surly?
From DG Cotillion speaks with Apt concerning how he and his "daughter" have had a falling out, and it was his "daughter" that is the one who slighted him. Is he referring to Surly?
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Posted 28 June 2010 - 04:46 PM
He says he has "a daughter sorts of". He's clearly referring to Apsalar. Why do you think he would talk of Surly as a "daughter"?
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Posted 30 July 2010 - 03:37 PM
i thought there was a bit of romance between cotillion and apsalar? he certainly would like there to be!
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Posted 24 August 2010 - 03:40 PM
Grub is
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as stated in later books
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Posted 24 August 2010 - 10:23 PM
Tattersail, on 24 August 2010 - 03:40 PM, said:
Grub is
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as stated in later booksActually, as a couple people mentioned above, this is stated two books earlier in HoC.
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